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    Love Holt
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    Love Holt

    August 23, 2019


    At the end of the historic
    Poppy Line sits Holt, a popular Norfolk market
    town from the Georgian era. There are so many reasons to explore Holt, so follow us on a tour through the town, and we’ll show you why we love Holt. Now it’s not gonna take
    you long of being here on the High Street in
    Holt to realise and see that Holt is an eclectic
    and fascinating town, but beyond just the architecture, the history of this town
    is equally as fascinating. In 1708 the now infamous great fire ripped through the High Street and destroyed most of Holt
    as it was known at the time. But what was a tragedy at at the time resulted in Holt being rebuilt in fabulous Georgian architecture and
    has become the vibrant and thriving market
    town that we know today. And those historic
    buildings in question form of course the famous High Street today, and nowadays they find themselves packed with all sorts of interesting, independent traders or services. In fact, somebody once
    said that if you could put a roof over Holt,
    you’d end up in the best shopping centre in the world. And you know what? I think they might be right! You can quite literally
    spend all day shopping ’til you drop here in town,
    and with the selection of independent traders just as
    eclectic as the town itself, it’s no surprise that its
    reputation is so highly regarded. There is fashion for all,
    boutiques, interior shops, artisan products, whatever
    happens to be on your shopping list, you are bound to find something that tickles your fancy. And if you’re thinking Holt
    is just a one-trick town with its High Street, then think again. There are so many quirky
    and interesting yards to discover even more. What I love so much
    about all of Holt’s yards is they’re all so distinctive. They’ve all got their own
    very individual character. Almost feel like a little micro-community within the town itself. Now if all that shopping
    has worked up a bit of an appetite, or if
    you’re anything like me, and you don’t need an
    excuse to seek out some food and drink, then you’re in luck. One of my favourite things about Holt is the selection of food
    and drink that’s on offer. You are going to be spoilt for choice. There’s cafes, there’s
    restaurants, there’s bistros, there’s good local pubs,
    there is quite literally something to cater for every taste. But if all of that sounds
    like a little too much work, then a nice pamper in a salon
    might be right up your street, and we’ve got those too. And if one day just isn’t
    enough, then fear not. We’re lucky to have some
    great options for B&Bs or hotels so you can
    stay as long as you wish. But of course Holt isn’t just
    a fabulous place to visit. It’s a bonafide thriving
    community in itself. For example, there’s a
    whole bunch of professional services here, like estate
    agents, solicitors, accountants, banks, there’s even a couple of opticians, and all the other healthcare services that a thriving town could want for. We’re also lucky to have
    some fabulous schools here in Holt, such as
    this one, the prestigious Gresham’s School behind me, and also the Holt Primary School in town. And you can’t have a thriving community without a well-used community centre. Now it’s fair to say that Holt as a town has certainly moved with the times, but by no means does that
    mean it has lost touch with its heritage and its culture. In fact, if you look around town, you’ll see it celebrated
    wherever you look, Be it theatre, art
    galleries, or antique shops, the history and culture
    of this town is as loud and proud as ever. Now if all of this is starting to sound like a bit of a labyrinth to find your way around, then fear not, because the Holt Owl
    Trail is here to help. The Owl Trail will provide your very own guided tour of the town. It’s the perfect way to make sure that you don’t miss any of the highlights and not to mention it’s a
    fun way for the whole family to spend the morning or afternoon. But if you felt like stretching
    your legs even further, we’re so lucky to have
    some incredible parkland right on the fringes of town. This one, for example,
    Spout Hills, sits right at the end of the High Street. Or if you wanted to stretch
    your legs even further, then hop in the car for a minute, and you’ll find yourselves here, in the Holt Country Park. There is acres and acres of
    woodlands to explore here. This place is really special. And if even all of this
    hasn’t quenched your thirst for some outdoor adventure, then fear not, because the coast is
    only a five to ten minute drive away, and it is a
    perfect base to explore the famous Norfolk coastline, and it goes for miles! So there you go, a quick
    look, a whistle-stop tour, if you like, of this fabulous town. We really are so lucky
    to have a historic town like this so accessible to so many of us. But don’t just take my word for it. Come and find out for yourself all the many reasons that there are to love Holt.

    Moving CTA Forward: Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s Transit Legacy
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    Moving CTA Forward: Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s Transit Legacy

    August 20, 2019


    “Chicago. Magnificent hub of America’s Great Midwest,
    far flung city of millions. Ever expanding. Ever growing.” Back in the early 20th century, filmmakers
    showed Chicago as a fast-paced, cosmopolitan, kinetic city. That hasn’t changed. Nor has the role of public transit as the
    linchpin that keeps this metropolis moving. After more than 70 years of service, Chicagoans
    still rely upon the CTA to get them where they’re going — and back again — reliably,
    efficiently and affordably. Our trains and buses provide one-point-five
    million rides each weekday. Today, we’re a world-class operation thanks
    to the leadership of Mayor Rahm Emanuel. Since 2011, the Mayor has made unprecedented
    investment in the CTA — more than $8 billion across the entire system. Under the Mayor’s leadership, CTA overhauled
    and purchased buses to make our entire fleet like-new, refurbished rail cars and placed
    the largest order of new cars in agency history, built new stations, completely rebuilt old
    stations, and reimagined how stations can become centerpieces that reinvigorate communities. The transformation we’ve undergone is truly
    impressive. Since 2011, CTA has rebuilt or refurbished
    nearly one-third of all rail stations throughout our system, some of which were more than a
    century old! We’ve rebuilt or rehabbed more than 70 miles
    of track, to make our customers’ commute faster and more reliable. We’ve also made accessibility a priority. 71% of our stations are wheelchair accessible,
    and we announced our strategic plan to reach 100% accessibility in the next 20 years. A new assembly plant on the Far South Side
    will produce our 7000-series cars, bringing railcar production back to Chicago after a
    30-year absence. We’ve overhauled a thousand buses, purchased
    425 new buses, and ordered 20 new electric buses, giving CTA the largest electric fleet
    in the country! We’ve undertaken some of the biggest projects
    in CTA history, including the Red and Purple Modernization and the Red Line Extension to
    130th Street. Starting in 2019, CTA will rebuild the northern
    part of the Red Line, the CTA’s busiest, replacing century-old tracks and stations
    to meet 21st century demand. The Red Line Extension will extend transit
    service to the Far South Side, promoting access to jobs and opportunity. And we’ve tackled transformational projects
    that will benefit our communities for decades to come. The sleek, modern, eye-catching 95th Street
    Terminal created a new landmark that streamlines connections between bus and rail services
    on the South Side. The beautiful Wilson Station is already a
    source of pride for the Uptown neighborhood and is rejuvenating activity around the station. The newly renovated Illinois Medical District
    Blue Line Station provides the West Side with a fully accessible, modern transit link to
    Malcolm X College, the United Center, and the nation’s largest
    medical district. And the architecturally striking Washington/Wabash
    station in the heart of downtown has become the gem of Jewelers’ Row in the Loop. But, to CTA transit goes beyond getting people
    from Point A to Point B. It’s about being part of a community and helping drive economic
    vibrancy in our neighborhoods through opportunity and engagement. CTA’s historic investment in modernization
    has created thousands of jobs and contracting opportunities for local businesses. The CTA has also created a series of programs
    intended to train and assist local businesses to compete for CTA work. And under Mayor Emanuel, CTA has expanded
    its nationally recognized “Second Chance” Program, which provides valuable job skills
    and career opportunities to ex-offenders and others who face challenges re-entering the
    workforce. The program doubled in size under the Mayor,
    and has made a positive impact on the lives of hundreds of Chicagoans and their families. A desire to give back to our communities also
    led the CTA to bring Chicago Market — a grocery co-op and community space — to the historic
    Gerber Building at the newly rebuilt Wilson Red Line Station. We remodeled and re-opened this vacant neighborhood
    fixture, which now will provide residents and CTA customers access to local, fresh food. It’s no surprise that the new Wilson Station
    has kick-started local economic development with more than 30 new business licenses and
    13-hundred residential units announced, approved or constructed within
    a half-mile of the station. At the Morgan Green Line Station, we’ve
    seen a doubling of building permits and business licenses, while may companies, including Google
    and McDonald’s, have re-located their headquarters within walking distance of the station. And economic development and commercial rents
    both saw a significant uptick near our Cermak-McCormick Place Station when it opened. Mayor Emanuel has also pursued new and innovative
    sources of funding to support CTA’s modernization. Transit TIF legislation is supporting the
    Red and Purple Modernization and future transit projects. And the Mayor established a new, ride-hailing
    fee, making Chicago the first city in the country to devote ride-hailing fees exclusively
    to public transit capital improvements. The ride-hailing fee support two important
    CTA initiatives: The “Safe and Secure” Project — which is upgrading and expanding
    CTA’s security camera network — and “FastTracks” — which is replacing aging
    track infrastructure to provide faster, smoother, rides on all train lines. As you can see, no period in recent CTA history
    has seen the amount of system-wide upgrades, service enhancements and community engagement
    that we’ve seen under Mayor Rahm Emanuel. The Mayor has ensured that the country’s
    second-largest transit agency will be second to none! But, don’t take our word for it. The New York Times recently lauded the job
    Mayor Emanuel has done to keep the CTA rolling. The article’s headline says it all: “Where
    Chicago Trounces New York: Fixing Mass Transit” Thanks to Rahm Emanuel, the future is now
    at the CTA!

    Harriet Tubman: “Spying on the Man” | SUNG HISTORY
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    Harriet Tubman: “Spying on the Man” | SUNG HISTORY

    August 19, 2019


    Think you know who I am? All of the good I’ve done Conducted the underground railroad 300 slaves freed by one But there’s another story hardly ever told about me I was the first black female spy for the Union Army! Harriet Tubman know I’m coming for those people you claim as property Harriet Tubman know I’m coming bringing pain to the Confederacy! Passed secret maps to generals meant they took Jacksonville easily Thousands of people liberated from plantations with intelligence collected by me! Let me add for the record I had narcolepsy During every single one of these dangerous adventures I was at risk of falling asl— Harriet Tubman know I’m coming for those people you claim as property Harriet Tubman know I’m coming bringing pain to the Confederacy! Harriet T— Tubman spying on the man a secret agent before it was chill Harriet Tubman you know I’m coming to the $20 bill!

    Happy Together – The Amazing Groups Special [ENG/2016.09.01]
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    Happy Together – The Amazing Groups Special [ENG/2016.09.01]

    August 19, 2019


    Happy to be together on Happy Together! – Hello. / – Hello. (Happy Together) – Recently, there are many duos / – Yes. – that are popular. / – That’s right. Gong Yoo and Ma Dongseok are one. – Right. / – They’re the best. – Certainly. / – Gong Yoo and Ma Dongseok are one. They are a great duo in the film industry. – In the TV industry, / – Yes. – there are Jaeseok and Myungsoo. / – Right. I mentioned this – because today’s guests are popular together. / – Yes. I heard that Hyunmoo and Myungsoo – guaranteed that they’re great together. / – Yes. Let’s bring them in now. The duo I invited is composed of two feisty girls. They are indeed feisty. Please welcome Baek Zyoung and Lee Jihye! – Hello. / – Hello. (The first duo is Baek Zyoung and Lee Jihye.) – Hello. / – Welcome, Zyoung and Jihye. (Zyoung debuted in 1997.) (Jihye debuted in 1998.) These two girls are the representatives of the feisty ladies in the entertainment industry. It’s now the turn of Celebrity Collector, Myungsoo. His guests are already out. – We haven’t introduced them, yet. / – You’re so slow. Gosh. Go back inside, you idiots! – You’re idiots. / – Idiots? You are distracting us. “I want to be on the shoot!” They’re finally coming out. I will bring in the trio that dominates the hip hop scene in Korea. – What? / – DinDin, Crush and Loco! Crush. Welcome, Loco. (Crush is known for his unique voice.) (Loco is known for his many songs.) (Everything DinDin does or says becomes a new trend.) I always go clubbing with you. – I’m really suing you. / – You should tell your mom. That’s what your parents are for. (The ladies can’t get used to them.) They’re talking like middle schoolers again. Look at that. (The ladies try to teach the young boys) (how to do this.) (But the boys won’t let them win.) That’s not it! (Together they will make a great hit.) Her song will become popular once again. Here we have a great duo, Baek Zyoung and Lee Jihye. Also we have a great trio with us. The hippest hip hop musicians, DinDin, Crush and Loco! (The hippest hip hop musicians are here.) Gosh. Don’t Zyoung and Jihye make a boring pair? We’ve seen them too much. Some people might think that we’re boring. But Jihye took a long break from work. – She’s come back recently, and… / – She’s active. Yes. She’s very active. So it’ll be different today. Whenever I turn on the TV, she’s there. She’s everywhere. – Do you have more stories to tell? / – We do. – Really? / – We came up with new ones. – We came up with new ones. / – Last week? – You have new stories. / – We worked until yesterday. – Is that right? / – Until this morning. She goes up the stage alone when there’s no one else. She goes up and checks out everyone. – She checks the dance. / – She checks out everyone? – Yes. / – Hey, watch what you say. So we weren’t mistaken. – After that, we almost never saw each other. / – Why? – We slandered each other too much. / – You did. – We slandered each other too much. / – It was fun. At that time, Jihye came dressed like a daughter-in-law of a rich family in Cheongdam-dong. – I remember that. / – I did. That’s where I got my character. – It was popular. / – Do you want to be one? No, no. I don’t. I don’t care about a particular town now. – It can be anywhere in Korea. / – Anywhere in Korea. Wherever it is, I want to join another family as a daughter-in-law. You’re not obsessed with Cheongdam-dong anymore. – You just want to get married. / – No, I’m humble now. You could join the family from Gokseong. – But it’s like this. / – Gokseong family. It’ll be just like the movie “The Wailing”. If there’s a man she loves there, why not? – Where do you live, Zyoung? / – In Cheongdam-dong. (Zyoung actually lives in Cheongdam-dong.) – I live there. / – She was successful all along. So that’s me. – But she’s a self-made woman. / – Yes. I want to marry a man who’s born rich. I want my husband to be a successful man. – You want a rich man. / – I used to be like that. – I used to be like that. / – You used to be like that. Zyoung is a self-made woman. – By the way, this duo guarantees fun. / – Of course. Myungsoo calls himself the Celebrity Collector. I thought he’d bring in G-Dragon and Zico. It’s my first time to meet some of them today. I thought he was Sehyung. – That one. / – Sehyung is popular. – Now… / – Loco looks like Crong. – Crong? / – Yes, the crocodile. (Crong) Crush looks more like Crong. – Right! / – Crush looks a lot like Crong. – Please introduce your friends. / – They both do. – They’re like cartoon characters. / – Yes. (Are they characters from “Pororo the Little Penguin”?) DinDin and I… are on a radio show together. He’s a rising star. He talks so well. – I see. / – Crush and Loco are Korea’s two best hip hop musicians. – Yes. / – Yes. I heard they’re music gangsters. (Music gangsters?) – You mean record? / – Record? – It’s record. / – Record. – Record gangsters. / – That’s what I meant. – Wait. / – I don’t know who they beat up. – DinDin was on “Show Me the Money 2.” / – Yes, I was. – He failed immediately. / – At the time, DinDin… – He failed immediately? / – I didn’t fail immediately. – I made it just before the finals. / – Is that right? Because of me, “Show Me the Money” could continue. – I see. / – The main writer of the show told me… – Is that right? / – I was the only non-celebrity to join the show and it suits the show’s intention. I only remember you using your mom’s credit card. That’s actually all we remember about DinDin. – You were famous for that. / – That’s scary. That’s right. – I blamed him while watching it. / – What did you say? How could he use his… I was just discharged from the army. I had no money. – You should’ve gotten a part-time job. / – Still… He reminded me of Ji Sangryeol when he was young. I was just discharged from the army. I had no money. (He was just like Ji Sangryeol.) I had part-time jobs. One month after I got discharged, I worked at an Italian restaurant. Then I joined “Show Me the Money” and I passed. So I threw the pasta and my apron and left. I had to prepare for the competition. But I had no money now. What could I do? I had to ask help from my mom. What else are parents for? (His parents are there to give him money?) To give you allowances? I told my mom that I wanted to take my job seriously – and that I needed her help. / – Right. She answered “Yes, my son.” So it doesn’t make sense for me to refuse her offer, you know? Of course I should thank her and say I’ll try hard. You should’ve said, “I will stand on my own feet!” – But still… / – Crush or Loco think – he shouldn’t have told his mom about it. / – Right. – You should’ve prepared for it alone. / – Right. None of you have served in the army yet, right? – That’s why. / – Wouldn’t it make you more mature? – No. / – That’s usually what happens. – He should refuse her help / – He should be mature. but instead, he used his mom’s credit card. – Do you still use your mom’s card? / – I use my debit. – Your debit card. / – Your debit card. I sometimes give my mom some pocket money. – That’s lovely. / – Recently, I sent her on a vacation to Guam with my money. When did you stop using your mom’s credit card then? That’s recent. My financial situation suddenly got better this year. – Your record sales must be good. / – Not really. – Then how did you earn money? / – I go to – weddings as an MC. / – You don’t sing at weddings? – You don’t sing at weddings? / – When people ask me, I tell them I can be the MC instead. You volunteer yourself. – I don’t know how to sing. / – He’s a rapper. – But still… / – He goes to all the events. That’s good. Zyoung, you find them all adorable. I think they are all very cute. I like all of them. – I see. / – How about you, Jihye? – How do you like them? / – They’re all right. – Jihye’s not interested. / – She doesn’t know them. She only cares about how she should do today. – Of course. / – That’s not it. – I know her well. / – That’s not true. She’s busy preparing for her talk. – I’m not that greedy. / – She’s busy. – I have no ambition. / – I am sure about it. – She came here to change her life. / – No. – She’s organizing her stories. / – She’s sweating. In the waiting room, she told me, “DinDin, I am nervous.” So I asked her why, and she said she hasn’t been on public TV for a while. – Really? / – She said she had to do well. – Is that right? / – Yes. – Anyway, it’s time to introduce Loco. / – Loco. Loco is amazing, too. On the first season of “Show Me the Money”… – He won. / – He won on the first season of “Show Me the Money”. (The hippest hip hop musician is here.) DinDin says that… he’s the one who built “Show Me the Money”. – But Loco did it first. / – Loco made it happen. The first season had bad viewer ratings, – and there weren’t too many people in it. / – Really? It’s true that there weren’t too many people. Earlier, he said he was the only non-celebrity. But I was the first non-celebrity on the show. – On the first season. / – He was first. – He was in university then. / – How about you? I was just discharged from the army and had no job. – A student is a non-celebrity, too. / – I was no one. – He had nothing to do. / – I had no identity. You had no identity. Who doesn’t have an identity? – Can you introduce yourself with a rap? / – Can you? Actually, I feel sorry to ask rappers – to demonstrate. / – They’re good. – DinDin, let’s go. / – Improvise one. – Since you’re the winner, you go first. / – Yes. – That was random. / – He’s the winner. – That’s random. / – Hurry. I can’t even talk well when I have to improvise. – Yes. / – It’s better to write it down. – Just do what you always do. / – I will do it. – DinDin will do it. / – Can you handle it? – I will start rapping. / – All right. Okay. ♪ Compared to other kids, DinDin is small ♪ ♪ I’ve been looking up the sky and finally ♪ ♪ Now nobody can look down on me ♪ ♪ Now I am my friends’ pride ♪ ♪ My weapon is my overflowing talent ♪ ♪ Wherever I was I earned for myself ♪ ♪ Yeah ♪ (Show Me My Debit Card!) – That was good. / – That was a good one. – I was the leader of “Show Me the Money.” / – Good. He is the leader. Next is Loco. ♪ Yeah ♪ ♪ 1989 is the year I was born ♪ ♪ My mom invested in me ♪ ♪ I was born with a mole under my eyebrows ♪ ♪ I got the huge hands from my dad ♪ It was very simple yet catchy. – DinDin is amazing. / – Why? While Loco was rapping, he asked Myungsoo, “Didn’t I do I better?” Goodness. (Didn’t I do better?) – Loco seemed more laid-back. / – Yes. DinDin was trying to show off. It sounded like DinDin wrote his ahead of time. – And Loco improvised his. / – Loco’s sounded like it was improvised, but yours didn’t. Recently, I shot a commercial with Mr. Song Hae. – That one? / – That song is very popular. – That is popular. / – That’s my hit song. ♪ I don’t know how people handle bank transactions ♪ ♪ I don’t know, I hate complicated things ♪ And the girl sings. Mr. Song rapped. “My name is Song Hae” “I want bank transactions” – I’ve seen it. / – “I want bank transactions” All your famous songs are… Are there any of own your songs that are popular? Why are only your songs for commercials popular? What if you become like Mr. Kim Dohyang and specialize in songs for commercials? I don’t want to. I’m a rapper. – I… / – What are you talking about? I don’t want to. I don’t want to. Okay. I understand DinDin’s situation now. – I don’t want to. / – That was very realistic. He didn’t say, “No.” It was “NO.” – “I’m a rapper.” / – “I’m a rapper.” – I want to do well. / – “I want to do well.” – I know. / – But he is doing well. Crush is unbelievable. – He’s amazing. / – Whenever he releases an album, – It goes viral. / – it tops all the music charts. – “Sofa.” / – Yes. – “Don’t Forget.” / – “Don’t Forget.” – It was featured by Taeyeon. / – I loved it. Your songs always top the music charts. In just 2 years after his debut, he released 30 songs. It’s unbelievable. 30 songs in 2 years? – I didn’t know. / – Really? How is it, Crush? You must earn a lot from royalty. You can’t mention the actual amount, so… Yong Junhyung said he can afford an imported car. He could afford to buy a German car. – A used one. / – A three-year-old diesel car. – Monthly income, you mean? / – Yes. – Monthly income. / – I don’t earn that much. – When I earn the most, / – Yes. I can afford… – a German car. / – It’s another German car. – Three series. / – 3.0? – Three series? / – Three series? – 320. / – 320. – Three series. / – Is it used or new? – Used? / – New. – In a month? / – That’s beautiful. – In a month? / – That’s beautiful. – That’s a monthly income. / – It’s not like that now. – Is that from “Don’t Forget”? / – That’s the highest. – That was the peak. / – There was a time like that. – That was when I earned the most. / – Right. But it doesn’t last long. – Now, my income is halved. / – How about in July? I wish I can earn even the half of that. That’s a lot, too. You’re good. – Lovely. / – He earns a lot, too. Loco must earn a lot, too. I know his income from last year. But I usually write lyrics. When I earn the most, I can afford to buy – a Korean compact car. / – A Korean car. – How about the engine? / – A full option car. – A full option car. / – A full option compact car. A full option compact car. A full option car is expensive. I was curious about this. I release albums, too. – The record sales depend on / – Right. the featured artist. You don’t feature for just anyone, right? When someone I know asks me, I can’t refuse it. – So… / – Same here. Just this month, I featured five songs. – You do it for everyone. / – Loco features a lot. – That’s not good. / – You can’t reject people. His nickname is Yu Jaeseok of the hip hop industry. He’s too kind. He’s too nice yet he refused to work with DinDin. He refused to feature mine. I asked him, and he said, “Talk to my agency, DinDin.” – What? / – He gave me his boss’ number. – But he’s your close friend. / – He gave him – his boss’ number. / – Was I not your friend? – He gave his boss’ number. / – That’s too harsh. He said he does that to people who are not his friend. There are people waiting to work with him. Zyoung wants to work with Crush. – Really? / – I’ve been waiting. – Did you talk about anything yet? / – No. He knows how to turn people down politely. What? How did he do that? He said he was busy. – We should learn. / – It was because… – He’s very popular these days. / – Yes. It’s hard enough for him to handle his own work. I understand. I was just joking. – Of course. / – I told him he could write any song he wants and give it to me. – You approve his talent. / – Of course. – I am so thankful. / – Jihye, say something you want. There’s a reason you’re here. – I’m really free. / – I… – What do you say? / – No. I want BewhY. – BewhY? / – BewhY is extremely busy these days. – BewhY is even busier. / – Really. How popular is BewhY? BewhY is at the very top. Is he at the very top? – Can’t I even dream of it? / – He’s at the top. Recently, there was a survey on our brand power. BewhY ranked number one. Number two was Leessang. – I love him. / – How about Loco? – He’s unbelievable. / – How about me? I should call you my boss now. He’s the boss. He’s Crush, you know. Anyone more popular than you is a boss. Anyone more popular than me is my boss. I heard DinDin’s nickname is “Dinspatch”. I am called “Dinspatch”. You must know a lot of entertainment news. I know almost everything about the hip hop world. – What are the things you know? / – I know people’s income, relationship status… and their current situation with their agencies. – I should stay away from him. / – Company politics. I know Loco’s income. – How do you know that? / – How do you know? How do you know that? I’ve never said it. I don’t know how I know. I just know. – How do you do that? / – Nowadays, which rapper earns the most? Number one is… – Dok2. / – Right. It’s him and his line of musicians. Loco is one of the top rappers. Loco is one of the highest-paid rappers. Before “Show Me the Money 5”, he was within the top five. – But not now. / – He was at the top. But after “Show Me the Money 5”, BewhY went to the top. – Simon Dominic went viral. / – He did. Those guys started to top the music charts. That caused this upheaval. It takes about three months to get paid. Right. You’re still in the top five. – Really? / – It will happen in three months. How about you? What’s your rank? On the survey, I ranked number 21. (DinDin ranked number 21.) Do you earn more with variety shows or records? I earn almost nothing from my records. My earnings from TV appearances make up for my loss. So I’m too scared to release songs now. How about Crush? Crush is also my boss now. – Crush is my boss, too. / – Who’s a higher boss? Loco is still higher. His contract terms are better. – You know about his contract terms? / – I do. – How do you know that? / – Really? How do you know that? That’s confidential. It goes like this. You wouldn’t know that unless someone tells you. He might be mistaken. – I’m sure about it. / – My bosses are – Simon Dominic and Jay Park. / – Yes. They gave me the bigger share of the contract. He signed with very good terms. – That’s nice of them. / – Do you want to join them? No. No matter where I belong, I have to do well. – Of course. / – So… But his agency has better terms. Chasing after better terms leads nowhere. – Right. / – He said this the other time. He wants to succeed with this agency and be a benefit to them. – He’s a good guy. / – He’s right. Even though I look ungrateful, I’m actually loyal. How are the rappers’ love lives? – The rappers’ love lives? / – Yes. (Loco turns his head.) – Loco. / – Did you see Loco? – Did you see him turning his head? / – Loco? I thought you were a magnet. – I thought he was playing a game. / – I was. – Why? / – They are avoiding each other’s eyes. – I don’t have anyone. / – Yours is over. What’s over? (DinDin betrays his friend.) – He’s flustered. / – Gosh. Crush is flustered. That’s not… I’m really going to sue you. Goodness. Suing me would be too dramatic. That’s not enough to sue him. – Who was it? / – You should… I meant that you’re done with this album. I watch a lot of variety shows. You know the show with a lot of reporters, right? DinDin was one of the panellists. I was so curious about whom they were talking about, so I asked DinDin who it is. – And he told the name right away. / – What did he say? You can’t say that. That’s a secret. – Really? / – Yes. I’m done with that show. I’m not on that show anymore. He tells us everything. Whenever we talk about idols, DinDin asks us if we want to meet them. – He acts as the love bridge. / – Why? How? That “love bridge” expression is too old. (How old is she?) You act as a matchmaker. We call it “maid”. – “Maid.” / – “Love bridge” is too much. But I think Loco is our generation. Now people just call DinDin as it is. But Loco say “Our DinDin”. So it looks like – he’s one of us. / – Stop it. (Her attempt fails.) All right. Let’s rest a little bit. – Let’s move on. / – Zyoung is here. – Zyoung is here. / – Jihye, – all your friends got married. / – Yes. How do you feel? You were always together. I felt so sad at first, but it was actually better. – Why? / – They had split up initially, and they ended up getting married. They had split up before? Is it okay if she says this? Shouldn’t you stop her? How can you say that here? – How could you? / – They’ll fight after this. – After the shoot. / – But you’re happy now. – Couples fight sometimes. / – It can happen. – They fought and broke up, but… / – Right. – They broke up and got back together. / – I see. She has never told this on TV before. – It means they’re meant to be. / – She’s unbelievable. – I haven’t heard this before. / – They’re meant to be. – They got back together and got married. / – Right. After they broke up, did she go out and have fun? Yes, she did. That’s not true. I couldn’t even eat back then. Goodness. She’s being tactless. It’s partly true. – I can’t believe her. / – She couldn’t even eat. She’ll be on top of the internet hit list. It doesn’t happen to me a lot. I couldn’t even eat. – They don’t seem to understand. / – They’re shocked. (We don’t understand.) – What does she mean? / – They don’t understand. They don’t know what that means? I know. It means she can’t eat or drink. – That’s right. / – You don’t know what that means? – She can’t eat or drink? / – When people – Because I was heartbroken. / – go through breakups… She couldn’t eat or drink anything but alcohol. What are you talking about? – She drank on an empty stomach? / – She just drank. – It feels like you got shot. / – Right. You were heartbroken. – Jihye knows a lot about her. / – Indeed. I think Jihye will tell us a lot about Zyoung. – What matters is / – I’ll tell your secrets, too. – that they are / – “I’ll tell your secrets, too.” – happy together now. / – That’s what matters. I think they’re really meant to be. – She won’t let Zyoung speak. / – She has weaknesses, but her husband embraced her with love. She’s so lucky to have someone like him. – I see. / – Jihye, you don’t drink, do you? – I quit drinking. / – Oh, you quit drinking? – She really quit drinking. / – That’s right. – Did she drink a lot? / – I quit three years ago. – I started going to church / – I see. and doing missionary work. I don’t have the urge to drink now. – You haven’t drunk since then? / – She drank twice. – That’s not true. / – She’s getting back at her. – She rolled up her sleeves. / – I saw you have a sip. – You had a sip. / – No. How did you usually act when you were drunk? – I didn’t act weird. / – Zyoung, is that true? – She says she didn’t, but / – I didn’t. when she drank with a man, she acted like a daughter-in-law of a rich family. She would wear a beige dress and flat shoes. – “Waiter.” / – Really? – The waiter came. / – Okay. I guess her drink wasn’t cool enough. “Please make it cooler.” (She speaks like a high-class lady.) She speaks gracefully. – That’s an old expression. / – She speaks gracefully. People don’t use that expression these days. She uses many old expressions. “Please make it cooler.” She said it in such a graceful way. We called primary school differently in our time. – That’s… / – It was a long time ago. I didn’t have any work until last year. I had a break for about two years. – It was hard for her. / – She had been in a slump. Back then, I had no money. I’d used up all my savings. I sold everything I had because I had no money. I released an album last year, but it failed. – It was tough. / – I had an anxiety problem and even partial hair loss. – Oh, my. / – Did you? It’s true. She lost hair on this part. We cried a lot together. I thought that my career as a singer could be over. – She gave up. / – I was more like an internet user. Do you mean you posted comments like fans do? – Yes. / – What did you write? – She complimented me a lot. / – I complimented people. – Do you still do that? / – Sometimes. – Really? / – You posted a lot of comments? Recently, I commented on articles about Jang Seokhyun. He was one of my group members. What did you write? I wrote, “He’ll become really successful.” “He has great potential. I guarantee you.” – She’s nice. / – Can you comment on articles about me? I’ll do that when we become close friends. Please leave comments on our website, too. I’ll help the program get high viewer ratings. What kind of comments do you expect for today’s episode so far? – We need to boost the atmosphere. / – Right. In the beginning, the viewers are probably confused. “That’s a weird combination of guests.” – “Crush is funny.” / – So you think – “DinDin looks like a nice guy.” / – it’s time – to boost the atmosphere? / – Right. We need to liven up the mood with a dance performance. She sounds like an expert. We also need good chemistry. I kept cutting in to create good chemistry. – It wasn’t for your sake? / – I helped all of them. – It’s not to stand out? / – We all need to stand out. If I stand out, everyone would stand out. How about you become a variety show producer? There’s a live chat room for Happy Together that opens while our show airs. – I read all of it. / – I read the comments often, too. Jihye, what do you expect they comment right now? – Right now? / – Yes, what will they write about you? They’ll write “Jihye looks like a nice person.” – Right now? / – Yes, they’re typing now. – I think… / – That’s ridiculous. – “She’ll become popular again.” / – “I like her.” I think she means she’ll write it herself. – She’ll write the comment. / – I’m telling you, – they’ll write it. / – She’ll write it herself. – What if they say they hate you? / – I’m positive. – She’ll click the “Disagree” button. / – I respect it. I should take criticism and fix my mistakes, – so I can be a better person. / – She’s mature. I read a book titled “The Courage to Be Hated”. – Me, too. / – I read it, too. – Did you? / – I read it, too. – I read it, too. / – I read it because – I even took notes in my diary. / – the book says… – He seems excited. / – Good for you. – It says you shouldn’t try to meet… / – Look at him. Crush starts talking as we talk about a book. Was that the most impressive phrase? – I took notes. / – Can you say it again, please? – You shouldn’t try to meet… / – Others’ expectation. – You should live life for yourself. / – Be yourself. Crush spoke to you casually when you first met him. I was really upset. – I’m really sorry. / – I was so upset. – It’s not like that. / – DinDin does look young. – That’s true. / – Was it two years ago? – It was three years ago. / – Was it? – It was 2013. / – No, it was 2 years ago. – It was 2013. / – Excuse me. – You’re not chatting in your house. / – I’m sorry. Please continue. – I thought he was younger than me. / – Right. I spoke to him informally, and he looked really upset. When we met for the first time, he talked to me formally. After a few drinks, he forgot that I’m older than him. He talked to me informally again. “What’s up?” I was really baffled. I thought his recent fame made him rude, but I couldn’t complain because he was so famous. – I understand. / – He might speak ill of me. – Then, my career would end. / – I feel bad for him. – I was pitiful. / – Why are you making me look bad? – Crush did wrong. / – I felt upset. I left and called Loco on my way home. I said, “Crush is out of his mind.” “He spoke casually. He looked down on me.” It seems DinDin tends to make things complicated. Exactly. He’s talking like I committed a crime. He almost started a bad rumor about Crush. I remember what happened. I wasn’t drunk at all. He exaggerated a lot. – Right? / – This is how you talk on a variety show. That’s ridiculous. That way of speaking can damage others’ reputations. – I wasn’t even… / – That was hilarious. It’s true that you talked to him informally, right? – I apologized to him right away. / – I see. – When did you apologize? / – Right away. Do it now. I don’t remember getting an apology. Why would you make him apologize to you again? It hurt my feelings so much. – I see. / – It’s because you look young. Loco, why does your fan club name baffle you? My fan club name is “Locochu”. – “Locochu”? / – “Chu” as in a kiss. It sounds like… – It’s “Loco-Chu.” / – That’s not what it means. – My fan club name is… / – What is it? It’s “Crush Bomb”. – “Crush Bomb”? / – It sounds like a swear word. – Oh, “Crush Bomb”? / – “Crush Bomb”. – You should pronounce it carefully. / – Yes. – I have a fan club, too. / – As Loco just said, people sometimes misunderstand his fan club name. – “Locochu.” / – It’s actually a pretty name. – “Locochu.” / – Don’t pronounce it that way. You need to say the two words separately. When I ask my agent if many fans came, he says “Yes, many of the Cochus are here.” I call my fans “Sh-Bombs”. – I see. / – That’s interesting. I heard of his fan club name before his concert. The fans were shouting, “Locochu!” I wondered how great he is. “Why are these people shouting that word?” – That’s not what it means. / – I didn’t know. – Please don’t say that. / – People wouldn’t do that. – In a public place? / – They wouldn’t think that way. – I was really impressed. / – That’s ridiculous. I thought, “He’s the true hip hop artist.” – His fans wouldn’t think that way. / – Exactly. – Do you have a fan club, DinDin? / – Yes, I do. – What’s the name of it? / – What is it? It’s “Fun Fun DinDin”. “Fun Fun DinDin”? That’s cute. That’s a good name. You have a good sense of humor. Their fan club names suit their images. – Indeed. / – They suit their personalities. – Isn’t it fun? / – Yes. As I became a rising star recently… He got criticized a lot. – I also… / – I’m worried about him. Jihye will help you improve your reputation. – I trust her. / – She’ll post good comments. – Consult with her. / – I think now is the timing. I have a moving story about Saeho. – Please tell us. / – What is it? He and I appeared on the same show three days ago. – We had a drink after that. / – Okay. You know that he’s a rising star now. He said, “Hey, DinDin, how old are you?” I said, “I’m 26 years old.” He took out his wallet and gave me some pocket money. That’s what only A-list stars do. So I said, – “You don’t have to do this.” / – That’s not… – That’s not a moving story. / – I refused it. It’s weird that he gave DinDin pocket money. I said, “Saeho, I can’t take this.” He insisted on giving me the money. I said, “It’s okay. I earn enough money myself.” He said, “Tell this story on Happy Together.” (He wanted DinDin to tell a good story about him.) – “Please speak well of me.” / – You can be a comedian. – There are two sides to every story. / – No way. – He told the story from his viewpoint. / – Goodbye. Please don’t say that. I think DinDin exaggerated to make a funny story. What kind of comments will there be at this point? (“Comments of the Day”) – Comments? / – On the internet. (“With the Internet Comment Expert”) – Saeho is a little too proud now. / – Right. There might be some comments criticizing that. But if he does better from now on some people will give counter-arguments. They’ll compliment Saeho. You should keep it up. Let me explain. We were having a drink together. Suddenly, DinDin left the table. I was wondering where he went. He came back with a hangover cure. I was grateful. I gave him some money because I wanted to pay for it. I told him it’d be enough for the taxi fare. That’s a lie. – Then, DinDin said, / – Why did you ask my age, then? “Do you mind if I tell this story on Happy Together?” – I told him not to do it. / – He just backstabbed me. – How could you say that? / – What’s the truth? – How dare you? / – You make me look like a bad person. – This is chaos. / – Exactly. Don’t you remember what you said? “Tell this story on TV shows for me.” I complimented Myungsoo a lot on that day. It’s true he gave me the money, but… I wouldn’t pay anyone to speak well of me. Saeho, when DinDin asked us if he could tell this story about you before the shooting, – you told him not to do that. / – That’s right. What did you say when he started telling the story? You said, “What is it?” (Ready, action.) (Saeho gave the money to DinDin with an intention.) – You shouldn’t do that. / – Hang on. – It’s not like that. / – Hang on. (The rising star is falling.) – That’s not true. / – I heard you say that. That’s not true! – We had a great time with you. Goodbye. / – No. – Goodbye. We had a good time with you. / – Please. I’ll be back as a newcomer in the next episode. (The story of Saeho made everyone laugh.) – It was a very good story. / – Right. – It wasn’t a good story. / – I have a story, too. – I have a story about him, too. / – Really? Is it a moving story? – Yes. Four years ago, / – Please go ahead. – Four years ago? / – I saw him on the street in Nonhyeon-dong – where there are a lot of cart bars. / – Did you? He and Nam Changhee were fighting over 30 dollars. – That’s embarrassing. / – Goodbye, Saeho. What were they fighting about? I just heard them talk about 30 dollars. – I passed them by quickly. / – What was the problem? Probably, this is what happened. Changhee said he wouldn’t eat a dish I ordered. – So he told me / – That’s ridiculous. that he wouldn’t pay for what he didn’t eat. Crush, do you have a story about him? – No. I really like Saeho. / – Make up a story, then. I watched the video clip of the day he joined the army. – Oh, right. / – The car left – without you. / – He said the story on this program. That part was aired. – I watch it whenever I feel down. / – Really? (It energizes my life.) (Saeho and Kim Raewon joined the army together.) A while later, Raewon whom Saeho was waiting for finally arrived at the training camp. After he said goodbye to his fans, he got in the car to enter the training camp. Right then, something unexpected happened. Saeho hadn’t gotten in the car, but the car left without him. Saeho had to run to the training camp. I have some video clips I watch when I feel down, too. One is the clip of Jihye’s poor acting performance. – I remember that. / – What’s that? – That’s hilarious. / – Exactly. – It’s legendary. / – Hyeongyeong, do you know? Yes. I’ve watched it. – Everyone has watched it. / – It’s really funny. I thought it was a sitcom, – but it seemed serious. / – It’s a serious film. – It’s a serious one. / – It’s a film. – It’s an independent film. / – It’s “Killing Time”. (“Killing Time”) Tell us about this scene. This is the scene where I just saw my boyfriend cheating on me. He’s my loved one in the film. – Look at her. / – Minseok. (Is she happy?) – I’m sorry. / – It’s all a misunderstanding. (Or is she sad?) – It’s a very sad scene. / – What was your intention? – Are you happy to see him cheating? / – She’s crying. It’s not supposed to be funny. It’s a serious scene. – You’d understand if you watch… / – Is she happy? No. How can you think that way? That’s one of the top three terrible acting. (These are the top three terrible acting.) (First is Jang Suwon acting like a robot.) (Second is Kang Minkyung screaming like a pterosaur.) (She screams.) (She cries like a pterosaur.) (This scene is as funny as those two.) – I’m sorry. / – It’s all a misunderstanding. (Third is Jihye looking like a Hahoe mask.) – Didn’t the film crew watch it together? / – We did. I even attended the film festival in Bucheon. – How was the review of the film? / – I went there. – How was the review? / – It was positive. The film was shown in cinemas. – How was the result? / – Many people watched it. What’s more shocking is that Jihye practiced – for two years for the film. / – Really? My teacher would be very disappointed to hear this. I hear that Chae Jungan and Nana have been learning from my teacher. – I’m the best student of my teacher. / – Nana got – rave reviews. / – Nana is good at acting. – She’s really good. / – Indeed. – DinDin, you’re from a rich family. / – Is that true? – I’ll be honest with you. / – Okay. My father’s business once failed. After I was born, the business bounced back. My parents say that I brought them good fortune. – It’s a true story. / – How did it bounce back? – Before I was born… / – He’s amazing. – DinDin is so funny. / – The business failed. It couldn’t have bounced back because you were born. – His parents might think that way. / – That’s right. We were well off even during the IMF Crisis. – We were well off. / – What does your father do? He runs a railroad business. His business was very successful. But one day, he lost a lot of money because of someone he was working with. The man went to prison. – Why would he tell that? / – And then… – You don’t have to tell everything. / – He got out. He asked my dad for help again. My dad helped him again, but he went to prison again. When the debtor is in prison, you can’t get money back. – That’s right. / – So my father is having a hard time. Someone did the same thing to my dad. They really shouldn’t do that. – You’re not in a bar. / – It happened to my dad, too. – He used to run a sausage business. / – That’s why… – A sausage business? / – He got swindled, too. – My dad drinks every day. / – I’ll get my revenge. – My dad drinks a lot, too. / – He wants to revenge. I need to explain myself. My father’s business isn’t going well, but people around him don’t believe it saying “I hear you’re very rich.” So he has no choice but to treat his friends to a meal. – I see. / – He grumbles when he gets home. He said, “Why did you say that on TV?” – “It’s so hard.” / – Your family isn’t well off now? – That’s why I work so hard. / – On the TV program, he said he used his mother’s credit card. It made people think his parents are very rich. – That’s right. / – Cheer up, Dad. (Cheer up, Dad.) – Cheer up, Dad. / – Loco, how about you? – I live with my mother. / – I see. Well, we’re doing fine. – I don’t… / – Loco, doesn’t your mother brag about you a lot? Yes. When she hears my song on the street, she goes inside the store where my music is played. She pretends to browse in the store. Then, she says, “This is my son’s song.” (This is my son’s song.) – She must be proud of him. / – Of course. – Exactly. / – That’s so cool. – Right. / – My mother was very excited that I’d be on this show. – I see. / – I don’t appear on TV shows often. I got an offer to appear on “King of Mask Singer”. Since I wasn’t confident in singing, I declined the offer. – She was very upset. / – She wanted to see you on TV. That’s right. When I was invited to this program, I asked my mother what she thought. She just said, “Do as you please.” – She’s adorable. / – When I told her that I’ll be on the show, she said “Good for you.” (She made a big smile.) – She’s adorable. / – She must’ve been happy. There are certain TV shows that people – in his mother’s age watch often. / – That’s right. She said she was glad and said “What night snack will you cook on the show?” She hasn’t watched our program for a long time. – It ended half a year ago. / – No. It’s been – almost two years now. / – We should try harder. – That’s right. / – Let’s try harder. – We need to win her heart. / – My mother – Yes. / – looks a lot like me. – She’s always / – That’s exactly how she looks. worried she might not damage my reputation. – She never says she’s my mother. / – Excuse me. You said she’s worried she might not damage your image. – What does that mean? / – Does she disgrace you? – She’s worried she might disgrace him. / – Right. That’s right. So she never says she’s my mother. – She avoids a crowded street. / – I have a story. This was even before Myungsoo got married. I saw a luxurious car stopping in front of the MBC building. – The car stopped. / – We ran into each other. That’s right. – Myungsoo’s mother… / – She was wearing a hanbok. Yes. She was wearing a hanbok. She got out of the back seat of the car. I went up to her to greet her. I asked her if she was appearing on a TV show. She said she was there to have a meal in the cafeteria in the TV station wearing a hanbok. – She rode in a luxurious car, too. / – Exactly. – Like a celebrity. / – It was a national holiday. – Meals were free for people in hanbok. / – Really? – Is that true? / – That’s why she wore a hanbok. I was surprised. – That’s so funny. / – She used to live in an apartment near the TV station. We lived right across the TV station. – I’ve always envied DinDin. / – Why? He always used his mother’s credit card. – I envy him, too. / – Right? He’s backstabbing me again. What’s wrong with you? – My family isn’t well off. / – I see. – When I was… / – But he looks so rich. – Exactly. He looks rich. / – Thank you. – He looks like / – He looks like a rich boy. – he’s from a millionaire family. / – That’s right. He looks like he belongs to the upper class. After I won on “Show Me the Money”, I thought everything would work out from then. I wanted to be good to my parents, but my agency was a newly established company. They said they couldn’t support me much, so I told them I’ll pay the cancellation fee and leave. – Really? / – However, the cancellation fee was 200,000 dollars. Until that time, I had never earned more than 1,000 dollars per month. It was a difficult time. I didn’t know what to do. That’s when I got introduced to Jay Park. He owns AOMG. Gray introduced me to him and Jay said he would pay it off. (I’ll pay it off.) He told me he wanted me to join him in his new company. He let me borrow the money. The first song I produced in AOMG was “Hold Me Tight”. – It was a big hit. / -That’s amazing. – He paid it off right there. / – Yes. – You overcame it all. / – You paid everything off? Yes. He paid everything off. – He probably earned more than the money. / – I agree. Actually, when he was going through those times, he asked me for advice. I encouraged him to sign with Jay’s agency right away. I told him that it was a great chance for him. So he went to AOMG and when I called him after his new song came out, but he didn’t answer. – You changed. / – That was because even if I became successful, I wanted to work harder – How modest. / – and produce more music for my fans. But whenever DinDin calls me, it’s for clubbing, drinking or hitting on women. He’s such a liar. – It’s true. / – Who’s a liar? (He’s on Loco’s side.) I was always with you when I went clubbing. What did I do? Clubbing is not a bad thing. We go clubbing, too. We go there to listen to music and dance. You can listen to music with your headphones on. You have to see how other people react. – Really? / – You have to see what kind of music – people like. / – You have to see what they like. We happened to talk about our dads as well. – That’s right. / – Let’s talk about it more. Jihye said that her dad ran a sausage business. – I never knew. / – He got defrauded, – He closed down. / – so I bought him a taxi. – I took out some private loan. / – It was recent. I’m appearing in variety shows in order to pay it off. – Is he a taxi driver now? / – She’s so sweet. Yes. He takes a day off after two working days. Ever since the fraud case, he’s been drinking all day. He probably just loves drinking. – Yes. He likes to drink. / – On his days off, right? By the way, you might also have plans to get married. Do your parents have requirements for a son-in-law? They aren’t like that. They’d like the one I love. That’s what they say. You probably have an ideal type of man. I’m not picky at all. I used to like businessmen and CEOs. – Really? / – You liked wealthy men. I wanted to live in Cheongdam-dong with a CEO husband. – With a chauffeur? / – I wanted to be well off. – I wanted to be well off. / – Like putting your – husband’s tie in the morning? / – Yes, that was it. I’d call out for a housekeeper like this. (Housekeeper!) (Everybody once dreams of a life from dramas.) You have a great tone of voice. – She’d cook for me. / – You watched too many dramas. Madame, what time would you be going to the mall? – Get ready by 10 a.m. / – Yes, Ma’am. That was what I dreamed of, – but I’m more modest now. / – I see. – You came to a realization. / – I realized it. That’s not important at all. – Right. / – I need to live my life to the fullest. I’m not picky any more. I don’t need any of that now. You need to emphasize those points. – Don’t just talk about your ideal type. / – So I gave up my Gangnam dream and moved in with my parents. I’ve heard of the American dream but not that. No, during our time, the Orange Tribe was the best. – I had a Gangnam dream, too. / – Right? – Do you know the Orange Tribe? / – The Orange Tribe? – You know, right? / – There were several names. (It’s an old story for these youngsters.) – They lived in Gangnam. / – I had similar dreams. There were people who had fantasies like me so I lived in Gangnam for a while but I had to move. I paid off my debts and moved in to my parents’ house. Then I bought a new house in Oksu-dong. – Good job. / – Did you buy it or lend it? – I bought it. / – How big is it? It’s 66.11m² but it’s a new – apartment complex with 2,000 flats. / – That’s a lot. It’s also near a subway station. – Does it have a good view? / – It’s amazing. The view is great. My apartment is on the 12th floor. – My apartment number is 1200. / – That’s so specific. I live right below the penthouse. When will you move in? – Just below the penthouse? / – I’ll move in November. – You have a house. / – Did you get a mortgage? – I did. How could I afford without it? / – I see. – What’s mortgage? / – I also have a car. I cleared up my situation. You did it within a year. They are not understanding the word, mortgage. – It’s a loan. / – It’s a lease. – Congratulations. / – Thank you. – You only need a husband now. / – Yes. Are there any qualifications for your husband? I have just one. I don’t want him to drink or smoke. I also want him to be sound and reserved. – You want a quiet person. / – You also mentioned – something else to our staff. / – There was one more. If possible, I want somebody with a full-time job. (I want somebody with a full-time job.) Rather than a freelancer, right? – I’m suggesting it carefully / – It’s stable. – since I’m a freelancer. / – She’s being careful. – I’m serious. / – That’s her ideal type. She’s being careful to be aware of other opinions. I don’t want people to think that I’m materialistic. – Those are her preferences. / – I want an ordinary person who has regular income like a public servant. – She knows it’s hard to be a freelancer. / – I see. – Let me give you an example. / – Okay. – He doesn’t smoke or drink / – That’s right. and he used to have a full-time job. He doesn’t work full-time now but has a regular income. – How’s Hyunmoo? / – What do you think about him? He’s also an educated man. – He’s pretty good. / – I used to think he was good, – Really? / – but since then, he had many girlfriends. – We know some, too. / – I’m a little conservative. – I’m a little conservative, / – I see. so I don’t consider men who have many histories. I’m a little conservative. But if the man is quiet and doesn’t drink or smoke, he’ll be boring. – I’ll make him laugh. / – That’s right. – I’ll entertain him. / – That sounds good. She doesn’t know what she’s talking about. – Why? / – Why? – He’ll be boring. / – It’s the worst – when your husband is quiet. / – I agree. – Why? / – Won’t you get sick of him in a few years? No, that’s not what I meant. When I was dating my husband, I liked how reserved he was. He knew the right things to say. – He would only say what’s necessary. / – He’s cool. But in reality, he’s completely different. He’s so talkative. Really? He talks a lot? – He’s so talkative. / – She knew it afterwards. Since we’re both celebrities, sometimes we get to spend time together all day. – That’s right. / – When there’s no work to do. I laugh all the time except when I go to sleep. – That’s great. / – It’s a good thing. – It is. / – It sounds like she’s gloating. – Yes. It’s a good thing. / – She likes it. – Rather than that… / – Rather than a quiet guy, talkative and expressive men are much better. Before you got married, you were on Happy Together and said that Seokwon was very considerate. She said that when her armpits got sweaty… – Right? / – That’s right. – You have such a good memory. / – You mentioned it. Her boyfriend wipes her armpits when they get sweaty. Your boyfriend wipes your armpits? She’ll say “Honey” and raise her arms. – That’s how considerate he was. / – I usually don’t sweat but there are only two places where I sweat. It’s the back of my knee and armpits. – Those are the folds. / – Your knees get sweaty? – You get sweaty behind your knees? / – I do. – It’s in the fold. / – If I sit like this, – They get sweaty. / – it starts dripping with sweat. – Is it that much? / – Yes, only on those two places. I don’t sweat anywhere else. – When it’s… / – After we finish the dance practice, she calls me over and puts her arm around me. (Jihye’s shoulders will get wet from it.) That was so bad. I can finally say it. – I hated it. / – Jihye hated it – when I put my arm around her. / – I didn’t like it. – I had no idea. / – I would go home and take a shower. – Her armpits are like a water park. / – That’s right. (It’s a natural water park.) She said it’s a water park. – Listen to her. / – It was. I can finally say it. By the way, do you have a girlfriend, DinDin? I really don’t have one. From what I heard, he used to have a French girlfriend. No, she was German. (He had a German girlfriend.) – He had a German girlfriend. / – When I was in Canada, I went to a school that never had a Korean student before. It was in a bad neighborhood. I had bad grades so I went abroad to study but who would pay so much money to go to a bad school? They were fascinated by seeing a Korean. They never had any international student. They might have wondered why you came for their school. There was a class for foreign students and this really pretty girl walked in. I couldn’t tell her nationality from her looks. She wasn’t Caucasian, European, Asian or South American. I was wondering. – You could ask. / – I summed up the courage to ask. – What did you say? / – I asked for her number. I said it in Korean style and she gave it to me. We talked and I asked where she was from and she said that she’s half-German and half-Korean. She was biracial. That’s when I knew 100 percent, that we’re meant-to-be. – What’s 100 percent? / – You’re too easy. I was 100 percent sure. We had a connection. – A connection? / – We had a link. – You had something in common. / – It was a medium. Then, I told her that I was Korean and she was amazed. I asked if she liked galbijjim and she said she did. It was the only thing I knew how to make. – So… / – Do you want to come over for galbijjim? – You went for it. / – I asked her if she liked it and she said she did. Her mom used to make it for her. I asked her if she missed her mom. So I invited her to my place. She’s German so she was so open. She actually came over. – And then? / So I made galbijjim. – You made it. / – I cleaned my house and gave my sister some money to go out and watch a movie. (Everything was well-prepared.) My sister went out and everything was ready. I got everything set up and I made her the galbijjim. She was surprised – Why? / – by how delicious it was. She said it was so good. Then, my sister came back and saw broken chairs. She’s like, “What’s going on?” – Why? / – What happened? We shouldn’t have drunken but I had wine at home so we had it. She was a German so she drank a lot. – She was German. / – But I was just a boy then so I passed out and woke up vomiting on my bed. – Oh, my goodness. / – How embarrassing. I was so drunk that I fell on the chair and it broke. So the girl lifted me up. She was taller than me. She also weighed more than me. So she lifted me up and brought me to the sofa. – She cleaned up and left a memo. / – What did it say? She left a memo to my sister and apologized. She’s a great kid. The important part is that she went back to Germany. (His girlfriend had to go back to Germany.) – Her dad found out we were dating. / – Did you cry? “Iris” was being aired back then and “Don’t Forget Me” was the soundtrack. – ♪ We loved ♪ / – That’s right. “We’re in different places under the same sky.” “Don’t forget me.” That’s how it goes. I was watching “Iris” and got addicted to the song. So I explained it to my girlfriend. She was in tears. That’s when “Don’t Forget Me” became my favorite song. I’d go to karaoke bars and concentrate on the emotion. I’d think about Germany and being under the same sky. – Who sang? / – How did you sing it? Show us. You lost contact with her after that, right? I practiced the song. ♪ We loved each other ♪ ♪ We’re now breaking up ♪ (We’re now breaking up) She went back so you ended the relationship? Yes, but when I earn a lot of money… Would you like to date her again? – I think I really liked her. / – Oh, dear. – That’s great. / – According to Crush, you’re with a different woman whenever you go clubbing. Me? – Yes. / – Who else could it be? It’s not you? Me? – Both of you. / – I saw DinDin, too. – This is suicide. / – Why? – I saw them, too. / – Explain it. – I saw them, too. / – What did you see? The fact that you saw him means that you were there. – That’s right. / – We hung out with each other. What a joke. Stop joking. That sounded like Ji Sangyeol. “What a joke.” It sounded good until the part about “Don’t Forget Me.” Three years ago, I saw DinDin entering the club… – He was with two women. / – As soon as he entered, What do you mean? I was escorting them. – That doesn’t sound right. / – He was with two ladies. As soon as he entered, he held the hand of the first woman he made eye contact with. Why would you hold the hand of a woman you don’t know? I would hold her hand and tell her to stop drinking. – I would send her home in a taxi. / – Look at him. My parents are watching. Why would you say that? That wasn’t nice. You’re the victim here. – But you… This guy’s funny. / – Is there more to it? If I say this, they’re in trouble. For songs like “Don’t Forget”, “Hold Me Tight” and “You Don’t Know”, I know who they sang them for. – They sang each for somebody? / – Yes, it changes. – Look at Loco. / – What are you saying? (He tries to keep a straight face.) Loco, why are your hands fidgeting? – Look at him. / – What do you mean you know who it is? – You’re talking nonsense. / – Loco got popular fast. That’s because he’s impulsive. He meets women easily and breaks up with them. – He moves fast. / – That’s how he made many songs. – Loco is fidgeting. / – It’s a surprise. He pretends to be nice… He looks like the type who would date for a long time. – My goodness. / – He’s that type. – He is. / – I usually date one person for a long time. Crush and Loco, you don’t look as energetic as before. – They’re far away from DinDin. / – Loco’s not focused. – Let’s sue him. / – You can’t lie. (Things get messy.) – You can’t lie. / – “Let’s sue him.” – “Let’s sue him.” / – You can’t lie on TV. Crush and Loco teamed up – with each other. / – I’m getting curious. They’ve got each other’s back. They don’t look too happy after the clubbing topic. Hyeongyeong prepared our theme song in rap. – We didn’t ask for it. / – I tried it. – I see. / – Really? – Give her your honest opinion. / – I made it. That’s amazing. (This is a hip hop rookie’s) (foolish attempt.) (What would it be like?) ♪ Watch Uhm Hyeongyeong on Happy Together Ho! ♪ ♪ You and I watch Happy Together Ho! ♪ This works with anybody’s name. ♪ Watch DinDin on Happy Together Ho! ♪ ♪ You and I watch Happy Together Ho! ♪ (You can’t help but dance along.) – It’s very original. / – It was good. Really? It’s something everybody can do. – “Ho” is the catch. / – That’s right. – You can do it with anything. / – What do you say? I was the producer for last year’s “Show Me the Money”. – It’s very original… / – How would you rate her? “Hyeongyeong will…” (Hyeongyeong is the lady of Happy Together.) (Would she enter the hip hop stage?) “not be able to join us.” (Say goodbye.) (That’s as far as she goes.) – You said it’s original. / – It’s weird if you go. – It’s original. / – People would criticize harshly. DinDin practiced some imitations of people for today. Let me start with G-Dragon. – He’s my brother. / – He’s my role model. – G-Dragon… / – He’s everybody’s brother. Are you close to him? No, I’m just a fan. You can call him a brother only when you know him personally. Call him by his full name. – I thought you were close to him. / – It’s like this. Fans call you, “Jaeseok!” – That’s how I call G-Dragon. / – I see. There’s a song by Big Bang called “If You”. Imagine a remix between “If You” and “Bang Bang Bang”. I’m going to imitate G-Dragon singing it. (This is a remix version by G-Dragon.) (I’m G-Dragon.) ♪ If you, If you, If you ♪ ♪ If it’s still not too late ♪ ♪ Can’t we take it easily ♪ (He’s not fazed.) ♪ If you, Bang Bang ♪ ♪ You ♪ ♪ Bang ♪ You look so entertained. You probably never get lonely. This is incredible. It doesn’t look like he’s doing it for other people. He’s just having fun with himself. – I’ll show you another one. / – What is it? It’s when G-Dragon danced to “Good Boy” in Tokyo Dome. – He looks good when he dances. / – He looks cool. – But he doesn’t try too hard. / – That’s right. – He doesn’t do it properly. / – But – he makes these facial expressions. / – He’s so good. When he dances, he bites his lower lip. He does. And he tilts his chin up. I see what you’re saying. I get it. He gazes down. I can’t look at him straight. (Zyoung thinks it’s too much.) He looks cool. He sits like this. (He moves onto the next pose.) He does that. – He walks and looks back like this. / – I agree. – He does this. / – I know. – When he dances… / – The music is on. – It’s “Good Boy.” / – It’s starting. (He starts dancing.) (He looks silly.) – Is this how he does it? / – That’s right. (He keeps dancing.) Hold on. You’re a crook. – What’s wrong? / – Hey. – This is right. / – You just can’t dance. No, this is me copying G-Dragon. (This is the original choreography.) (G-Dragon’s doing it right.) – What’s he doing? / – He can’t dance. What’s he doing? What’s that? If that was G-Dragon, he wouldn’t be popular. He looks at the audience like this. – Then, he turns around / – I get you. and looks over to check if Taeyang is fine. It’s your part. (I’m Din-Dragon.) That part was good. – It’s so similar. / – Zyoung says that if that was G-Dragon, he wouldn’t be popular today. (If G-Dragon dances like DinDin, he wouldn’t survive.) That’s a great quote. I know what he’s trying to do. I get the idea. If you like G-Dragon, you should send him a message. – I like him so much. / – Would you meet him? I was really envious of Yoo Byungjae when he did, “Loser, Loner, It’s just one person”. – G-Dragon posted this on social media. / – Right. That’s before Byungjae signed the contract. After I watched that, it became my goal. My goal is to put my video on G-Dragon’s social media. (My video on G-dragon’s social media) – What a goal. / – That’s my goal this year. So I never did this dance anywhere else. I was going to show it off at the right place. – That was Happy Together. / – I saved it for today. I am 100 percent sure G-Dragon won’t post this. – G-Dragon is very objective. / – He is. – He won’t post this. / – I think so. Do you know G-Dragon, Loco? In 2012, I performed on Mnet Asian Music Awards. That’s right. I went to the after-party. I get really nervous in front of celebrities. I’m nervous right now, too. I went and the scene was like this. Singers would sing on a small stage, and Song Joongki and Song Seungheon were there. If you turn, you’d see Han Gain and Choi Jiwoo. – What about G-Dragon? / – He was there, too. I didn’t know anybody there so I just drank. When I drink, – I black out pretty fast. / – Oh, my. I was drinking and passed out again. When I woke up, I was in a hotel. – Seriously? / – My goodness. – My head was bleeding / – Oh, really? and when I turned on my phone, there was a picture of me and G-Dragon. This is a thriller. I have something, too. On the new year’s day, there was this party. I woke up the next day and I found a picture with G-Dragon in my phone. Why do you pass out and take pictures with G-Dragon? I woke up and went to the airport. People said that I danced with Jung Woosung. But you didn’t remember? I didn’t remember anything. I also received a video. It was a video of Psy’s performance. Psy was doing the Horse Dance next to me. (Psy was doing the Horse Dance next to Loco.) – That’s really funny. / – My goodness. He couldn’t remember it. I am usually very introverted. Did you get to know G-Dragon after that? I say hello to him. I said hello recently, and G-Dragon did this. – Didn’t he do this? / – No. He did this. – What does this mean? / – It means, “You are okay.” He does this to someone he doesn’t really know. That’s interesting. – I know G-Dragon’s phone number. / – What? – Really? / – You do? The three of them are like middle schoolers. – You are incredible. / – They are jealous. Crush has been to the YG Entertainment building. – Really? / – He listens to music with their artists. – I will give you a number. / – What are you saying? What are you saying? Is there an A-list celebrity you know well? Who is it? – Myungsoo. / – I’ll lose G-Dragon because of you. (I’ll lose G-Dragon because of you.) Who is your role model? (Mine is G-Dragon. Who’s your role model?) I don’t have a role model. I barely scrape by. (I barely scrape by.) I’m too old to have a role model. – Everyone is younger than me. / – He doesn’t have one. He doesn’t have a celebrity role model. I can’t have a role model younger than me. It’s hard to find a role model since he’s almost 50. It would be weird if he said, “It’s G-Dragon.” People who are older than me are in nursing homes. I can’t have them as role models. What comments are we getting in the chat room? DinDin is on the rise. “DinDin is doing well.” “He is an attention-grabber.” I came to notice that you use old-fashioned expressions. “An attention-grabber” is rarely used these days. He will make it big. I can’t believe these comments are from a chat room. “An attention-grabber.” I know new expressions, too. When do I get to send a video message to G-Dragon? Go ahead. Hello. I’m DinDin. I really like you. Whenever I am struggling in life, I watch videos of your performances. I look at everything you post on social media. It’s not my goal to work on a song with you. – All I want is for him to say hi to me. / – Really? – I want to say hello like this. / – He is a big fan. I see. G-Dragon, let’s meet up. Bang. “Bang.” (I hope my video gets posted on G-Dragon’s account.) I heard that – Crush has a special talent. / – Really? – You will imitate someone’s voice. / – I don’t know if it will sound similar. We will be the judge. – She became the judge. / – She wears the right outfit. This is so much fun. I will imitate Bobby Kim. He’s so good that he could appear on “Hidden Singer”. – Really? / – You must be good at it. – Hyunmoo will judge his talent. / – Right. ♪ A thing called love ♪ (Bobby Kim’s voice fills the studio.) ♪ When I stand before that thing ♪ My goodness. ♪ I am nothing but a beggar ♪ – That was nice. / – He sounded similar. Since his vocal cords are young, it was a bit different from Bobby Kim’s current voice. – To be honest it wasn’t that similar. / – Yes. It was. – It was similar. / – It really wasn’t. – I can imitate Zyoung to that level. / – Try it. I can imitate Zyoung. – It wasn’t similar, right? / – It wasn’t. I can imitate Zyoung to that level. – I will imitate Zyoung. / – It was all right. – I will imitate Zyoung. / – It was similar. – Crush’s voice sounded similar. / – That’s right. That was my first time imitating someone’s voice. – He was nervous. / – I was nervous. – Are you usually better? / – If I put my mind into it, I’m like… like… It’s incredible. Show us. I will imitate Simon Dominic. – Simon Dominic. / – That’s good. Let Jihye imitate me first. – Wait a minute. / – Do it later. – You can imitate Zyoung later. / – Okay. Are you going to rap? This is how Simon Dominic talks to me. Hyoseop. Act like a big fish. (He imitated the key characteristics.) Act like a big fish. That was great. “Act like a big fish.” In what situation did he say that to you? Ever since we first met… “Hyoseop, act like a big fish.” He touched my face like this. Simon Dominic has a cool voice. Loco, stop drinking. “Act like a big fish.” That was similar. We will now hear – Jihye’s imitation. / – I didn’t prepare it. – I only said I can do it to his level. / – Go ahead. Only the key parts sound the same. – The beginning won’t sound similar. / – Let’s hear it. ♪ You are the only one I love ♪ ♪ I cannot let you go ♪ ♪ Please change your mind ♪ ♪ I beg of you ♪ Don’t sing such an old song. I have never heard that song. – It’s a song from 1999. / – I don’t know the song. – This is my best. / – They don’t know the song. – I was seven years old. / – We know the song. – Didn’t I do a good job? / – My goodness. – We know the song. / – That’s right. Watching them gave me confidence. – I will imitate Crush. / – Crush? Really? Give it a go. ♪ I haven’t opened the drawer in a while ♪ (I haven’t opened the drawer in a while) – That was similar. / – That sounded the same. – That was similar. / – Give us the original version. ♪ I haven’t opened the drawer in a while ♪ ♪ I haven’t opened the drawer in a while ♪ (He pronounces “drawer” in a funny way.) My goodness. (The difference lies in pronunciation.) – That’s the key. / – I don’t mispronounce anymore. I fixed my teeth. I don’t mispronounce anymore. Did you fix your teeth? (He admitted that he’d gotten plastic surgery.) – These men are funny. / – Seriously. – They are hilarious. / – Loco has another one. – We can hear it later. / – It’s Kim Jinpyo. Kim Jinpyo. – She is excited by three male guests. / – Of course. You should have cheered for Jihye. – It wasn’t similar. / – She’s strict to me. – Wasn’t I similar? / – You will be eliminated quickly. – Give us another one. / – I will imitate Kim Jinpyo. Kim Jinpyo. The winner gets a dynamic hatchbag. (It’s a familiar comment.) – Try, “Show Me the Money.” / – My goodness. The winner gets a dynamic hatchbag. The winner gets a dynamic hatchbag. Give us a longer sentence. “Show Me the Money”, season… The winner gets a dynamic hatchbag. – That was similar. / – I can imitate Choi Hongman. – Saeho is good at it. / – Try it. Try it. They are the treasure box of voice imitations. (They open the treasure box.) Hello. I’m Choi Hongman. (Zyoung bursts out laughing while Jihye is serious.) (It’s a bit lacking.) – I can’t hear anything. / – I will try it. Hongman called Saeho one time, – and I was there. / – Really? He was angry because of Saeho kept imitating him. – This really happened. / – Really? – I was there when he called. / – Was he angry? Saeho imitated him when he picked up the phone. “Hello. I’m Choi Hongman.” – That was good. / – Hongman said, “Don’t do that.” – “For goodness’ sake.” / – He has my respect. – That was great. / – He did a good job. That was the best voice imitation. “What?” “I said, I am going to kill you.” He said, “I am going to kill you.” I apologize, Hongman. That was great. Bang, bang, bang. That really happened. – Being with friends is good. / – Look at Jihye. She is nervous because they did a great job. I can imitate Yuju of GFriend. – I can imitate Yuju of GFriend. / – Don’t do that. – Let’s hear it. / – They did many voice imitations. They got their screen time. – What did Jihye say to you? / – Jihye said… I was enjoying Crush, DinDin and Loco’s voice imitations. Jihye whispered, “We need to do something, too.” – Don’t do that. / – Are you here to watch the show? You are here to work. – You need to work. / – Please calm down. My goodness. – Jihye became nervous. / – I have another one. What is it? He didn’t even listen. He keeps coming up with ideas. – I can imitate Shin Seunghun. / – Okay. – Here I go. / – That was sudden. ♪ I believe ♪ ♪ Even though you are not here ♪ I can imitate Yuju. You need to calm down. Let her imitate Yuju. He imitated a male singer. – Let’s hear her imitate a female singer. / – Okay. ♪ Na na na Navillera ♪ (It was disastrous.) – My goodness. / – That was just you. I don’t know the song. It’s “Navillera”. – Loco can do Sistar’s dance. / – Sistar’s dance. I’ve been waiting for this. – The dance goes like this. / – Yes. In the US, rappers do the dance – when they rap. / – Really? (This is the dance move.) I started doing the dance before Sistar. You started doing it before Sistar. Let’s see it. You would rap in a cool way. ♪ I trample on it ♪ ♪ I play rudely and you watch, listen and react ♪ ♪ I make you dance ♪ (He is the dancing rapper.) – How cute! / – This is the original dance. Your facial expression matters. You need to look happy. – Show us. / – ♪ You watch, listen and react ♪ What was that? (He is full of happiness.) (Loco is happy to dance with Sistar.) (She is thinking about another special talent.) Let me do something other than a voice imitation. I can lick my elbow. That came out of nowhere. – Really? / – This is like a circus. Let’s see it. – Try it. / – I can’t do this. – I can’t do it. / – Who can do it? I can’t reach my elbow. It won’t work. I will show you. – Please don’t turn it into a meme. / – Okay. – Did you know you would end up doing this? / – No. – You didn’t know. / – It has to be done. (The situation is forcing her to do that.) I am doing this because I need more screen time. – She needs screen time. / – That’s right. – You are determined to get screen time. / – I need it. – She works hard. / – Is this possible? – In three, two, one. / – You need a long tongue. (She succeeded easily.) – Did you see that? / – She has a long tongue. Does that talent help in real life? – What is it? / – Why are you rolling up your pants? – The back of my knee makes a sound. / – What sound? What is going on? (Watch his facial expression.) – My goodness. / – What a cute sound! – The sound is natural. / – Did you see that? – Her reaction is so different. / – How cute! (Watching Crush versus watching Jihye) – Everyone, calm down. / – My goodness. – This isn’t a talent show. / – I can’t do it. Why is he doing it? You are good at this. – Do you find it fascinating? / – Look. This is ridiculous. – What is he doing? / – I bet the viewers – would be rolling up their pants. / – Right. They would try to do it at home. My goodness. That was hilarious. This is a talent show. Jihye, what’s the Fish Dance? – Fish Dance? / – Jihye can do the Fish Dance. What is the Fish Dance? You need to show us more for screen time. Wasn’t my last talent enough? Will it get edited? Show us your Fish Dance. I released a song as a solo artist – called “Rocket Power.” / – I remember. It’s a bit of an embarrassing past for me. It needs to go away so that I can get married. – You should do it. / – It might help you get married. – The title of the song / – “Rocket Power”. sounds quite promising. No one has ever mentioned the song before. – I am curious about it. / – Let’s see the dance. It feels like she cares more about her screen time than getting married. I’m in trouble. (She will unleash her inner rocket power.) (She breaks the seal.) (Her body remembers the dance.) This is the Fish Dance. (She’s flapping her hands.) (This is the Fish Dance.) – This is the Fish Dance. / – That’s right. This is the Fish Dance. (We give you the fish that lives in a deep river.) Watch Happy Together with Jihye. (She moves across the current.) (The fish jumps out of the water.) (Jihye grabs it.) – This is the Fish Dance. / – My goodness. (She is happy that she caught a fish.) Are we on break? (The fish jumped out of water.) (She ends the dance by recharging her rocket power.) “Rocket Power”. (She succeeded in securing her screen time.) – Jihye. / – That was funny. Did you see this dance move? That was incredible. She motioned grabbing the fish. – She caught it. / – She caught the fish. That was hilarious. – That was nice. / – It will help you get married. – That’s enough, right? / – It was funny. – Good job. / – You should add a move. Catch the jumping fish and lick your elbow. – That would be great. / – Please try it. – Then make a fart sound. / – Let’s play the song. On top of that, add Loco’s dance to your routine. – Add Loco’s dance. / – It’s Sistar’s dance move. You can also add G-Dragon’s facial expression. While Jihye is dancing, I will do this. – There you go. / – It will be great. Don’t I look ridiculous? – No, you don’t. / – You look cute. I let my image go today. That’s right. “Rocket Power” will make it on music charts. “Rocket Power” will make it on music charts. (She dances for the success of “Rocket Power”.) (She launches the rocket of her talent.) (Rocket No. 1, Lee Jihye) (Rocket No. 2, Crush) (Rocket No. 3, Loco) (Rocket No. 4, DinDin) (Fly, “Rocket Power”!) (It’s the most fantastic collaboration.) Catch the fish. (She catches the fish) (and licks her elbow.) (He suddenly flinches.) (He was startled by Jihye’s enthusiasm.) (He becomes happy again.) (He’s trying his best.) (I am no longer Crush.) (I am G-Dragon.) (It’s an other-worldly performance.) (It will be a hit across the universe.) (This collaboration is a hit.) “Rocket Power” will make it on music charts. So many artists aided her. “Rocket Power” is the best. (Crush’s leg is still working hard.) As you can see, her posture changed. – She looks more relaxed. / – That’s right. The guest’s posture tells a lot about his or her standing in the program. – She has established herself. / – That’s right. She chose screen time over marriage. That’s right. She made the right choice. Long screen time will help her get married. While Jihye was in Sharp, she took a test to become a flight attendant. – Did you? / – Sharp was successful. – Sharp was very successful. / – I always thought that things might eventually take a turn down the road. I wondered how I would make a living then. That’s why I applied for a job at an airline. – What happened? / – Did you get in? I passed the first round and scored an interview. – Your resume was selected. / – That’s right. At the interview, I was asked, “What do you do in your free time?” I don’t lie, so… I said, “I get my makeup done at a salon.” “Then I have a drink and go to a karaoke.” My goodness. – My goodness. / – I was too honest. You were working as a member of Sharp. They asked me what I do in my free time. That’s what I do in my free time. – Most celebrities do those things. / – That’s right. They drink and go to karaokes. You shouldn’t have told them everything. I should have said, “I read and study English.” I was too honest. “I have a drink and go to a karaoke.” I never heard back from them afterwards. The opportunity passed. You are close friends with Chae Jungan. – We are good friends. / – She helps you financially? Last year, I had no money or a job. It can be hard for celebrities to talk about their financial difficulties on TV. Viewers need to have fun – when they watch the show. / – That’s right. If I say I wanted to die, viewers won’t be able to relate to the story. That’s why I try to be cheerful. However, my own situation made me understand what pushes people off the edge of a cliff. I told Jungan that I can’t support myself anymore. I had a half-lease on my apartment. I had bills to pay and make ends meet. I didn’t have enough for medical insurance and such. I had reached the rock bottom. So I told Jungan… (The memories make her tear up.) Don’t cry. (He imitates Hongman’s voice.) Don’t cry, Jihye. Don’t cry. (She tries to hold back her tears.) (She cannot ease the heartache.) – It must have been hard. / – It was – only a year and a half ago. / – I see. Back when she wasn’t on TV. Even the fellow celebrities didn’t know. – No one knew. / – She had taken a break from TV. We wondered how she was doing. What happened then? I really didn’t want to borrow money from friends. I only told Jungan about my situation. She said, “Why didn’t you tell me earlier?” She asked for my account number. She sent me 10,000 dollars the next day. I used the money for expenses and sold the house. She said that it made her sad to see me disheartened. Whenever I met her, she gave me her clothes and said, “Wear these.” About 40 percent of clothes I own is from her. She helped me in many ways. Zyoung helped me, too. Last year… (Gratitude makes her voice break.) Don’t cry. Last year, I had to find work as a singer. I wanted to sing. Jang Seokhyun struggled a lot, too. After Sharp disbanded, Seokhyun accumulated a debt of 700,000 dollars. Seokhyun and I decided to release an album together. However, the idea wasn’t well-received. People didn’t think Sharp was relevant anymore. Zyoung decided to help then. She met with the president of a record company and pleaded with tears. I’d only heard this afterwards. I found out later that she asked in tears to help me. She released the album under my agency. I talked to the president of my agency. I asked that they invest in them. Was the song successful? No. What was the name of the song? There is a story behind it. I struggled so much. On stage, I had an anxiety attack. As I was singing on stage, my breath was all over the place. I thought, “Was I always this terrible as a singer?” I was always confident of my singing skills. That’s why I am not embarrassed to act silly. I am not afraid of making a fool of myself. I was confident because I could sing well. Last year, I felt like I had lost that. While you received help from your friends, you worked hard yourself. Zyoung is pleased to see you do well on Happy Together. – That’s right. / – Your Fish Dance was the best. I really didn’t want to cry on the show. – I apologize. / – The Fish Dance might bring back your old songs. I am very happy. I apologize for crying. You can pay back your friends for their kindness. – That’s right. / – That’s right. To cheer for Jihye’s future endeavors, – give her a round of applause. / – Good luck. Good luck. Why don’t the three of you release an album? That’s a good idea. I actually intended to collaborate with them, but listening to them made me realize – that I lack in many ways. / – That’s right. You might think they would say, “That’s not true.” They’re just listening. (They won’t say a word.) They didn’t say, “That’s not true.” – They’re incredible. / – They are cold-hearted. They’re incredible. Even their facial expressions didn’t change. The two make a perfect team. Say something to DinDin. He’s a good friend. It’s okay. I’ll continue to work hard. Crush, please say something. – I’m really… / – It’s okay. – Finish the sentence. / – Finish the sentence. – You’re really what? / – What are you trying to say? – Finish the sentence. / – “I’m really…” He doesn’t want to give a promise he can’t keep. That must be it. I want to be responsible for my words. Crush wants to focus on his music first. DinDin, work hard on your own. I do work hard. I want to be a funny person. Since I like these people, I don’t want to ask for help. – You don’t want to burden them. / – I don’t want that. I want to be on their level first. – You asked for help about 15 times. / – It was a joke. You might get a call from G-Dragon. – G-Dragon? / – Yes. He might ask you to meet him. If I meet him, I will greet Loco and Crush like this. (I know G-Dragon personally.) Look at Crush’s face. That will never happen. I’m sorry. – They’re so funny. / – Work hard, DinDin. – They’re funny, right? / – They really are. – Do well in variety shows. / – He’ll say something. – What is it? / – Act like a big fish. (Act like a big fish.) – “Act like a big fish.” / – “Act like a big fish.” That’s all we have for Happy Together today. We’ll be back in the next episode. – Thank you. / – Thank you. (“Strange” by MASC)

    See You Next Time Around
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    See You Next Time Around

    August 18, 2019


    You and me sitting by the railroad track
    Waiting for the train to come Where we gonna go to, where we gonna have our fun? Take a little ride to the countryside
    Take a ticket to the sea Baby i don’t mind as long as you ride with
    me Cos, baby, you and me, we just go where we please We just blow like the breeze from town to
    town No ties, no alibis, no way to hold us down
    We’re just passing by – I’ll see you next time around We could settle down if we find a town
    That we can call our own Til that time we’ll ride these rails alone Train’s gonna stop on a mountain top
    And distant lights will shine City’s far away and boy, that suits me fine. Cos, baby, you and me, we just go where we please We just blow like the breeze from town to
    town No ties, no alibis, no way to hold us down
    We’re just passing by – I’ll see you next time around I’ve been watching all those trains go by
    Thinking should i give those tracks a try Will i end up where i need to be in perfect
    company So take my hand before they pass us by Hear the whistle call as the evening falls
    And tells the time to rest Sun like a cherry setting in the west While away the hours as we count the stars
    And sing beneath the moon Rhythm of the tracks will tap along the tune Cos, baby, you and me, we just go where we please We just blow like the breeze from town to
    town No ties, no alibis, no way to hold us down
    We’re just passing by – I’ll see you next time around We’re just passing by – I’ll see you next time around

    RFID tracking:  clever solutions with Radio-frequency identification cable ties and accessories
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    RFID tracking: clever solutions with Radio-frequency identification cable ties and accessories

    August 14, 2019


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    Alabama Department of Revenue v. CSX Transportation, Inc.: Oral Argument – December 09, 2014
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    Alabama Department of Revenue v. CSX Transportation, Inc.: Oral Argument – December 09, 2014

    August 13, 2019


    Roberts: We’ll hear argument next in Case No. 13-553, the Alabama Department of Revenue v. CSX Transportation. General Brasher. Brasher: Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court: The 4-R Act does not make railroads the most favored taxpayers. It instead balances the needs of carriers, shippers and the general public. Our position in this case does balance those interests and CSX’s position does not. On the comparison class issue, we think the rules is this, and that’s that courts should compare the taxation of railroads to the taxation of the mass of other businesses in the State with a focus on whether a State is targeting or singling out railroads for a tax that the general mass of other businesses do not have to pay. Scalia: Well, is said that — it said that in — in (b)(1), and it doesn’t say that in (b)(4). Brasher: Right. I — but I think– Scalia: Another tax that discriminates is all it says, whereas in (1) it said “ as R value ” — “then the ratio that the assessed value of other commercial and industrial property in the same assessment jurisdiction. ” Brasher: –Well– Scalia: They’re so specific there and — and in (4) they just say another tax that discriminates against the rail carrier. Brasher: –But I think the question is whether there’s any reason to read (b)(4) to require a comparison class that is different than the one in (b) — (b)(1), (b)(2), and (b)(3). Scalia: Yeah. There’s a good reason that they didn’t spell out a specific comparison class. Brasher: Well, I don’t think that — that is a sufficient reason because I think that the comparison class that is spelled out in (b)(1), (b)(2), and (b)(3), if you apply it in (b)(4), it ensures that railroads are being treated fairly by tying them to a broad enough mass of politically influential taxpayers to keep their rates fair. And the competitor class here that — that CSX has proposed makes very little sense in the text of the statute. I mean, it also, it doesn’t really make sense in light of what this Court said in CSX 1 where the Court said that, at the very least, we should be looking at similarly situated taxpayers. Kagan: But, General, I think on — on this question, CSX 1, I think your reasoning flies straight into the face of it, because CSX 1 talks about the notion that (1) through (3) is very different from (4) and that you can’t — this is just along the lines of what Justice Scalia says — that you can’t draw anything about the meaning of (4) from (1) through (3) given that they clearly — they use different language, they’re directed towards different things. Brasher: Well, I think — I think the question here is — is whether you should be looking at general businesses or whether you should be looking at CSX’s handpicked class of competitors. And we made the textual argument that that’s the only thing that the text provides for. But I also think– Ginsburg: Well, why — why do you say handpicked? I — I — they’re in the business of transporting goods, motor carriers are and railroads are. Brasher: –Well, because in this particular situation, CSX is comparing itself to motor carriers and water carriers, but is not comparing itself to, for example, airlines or pipelines, which also compete with respect to CSX in transportation. But I think — I think there’s no reason to necessarily presume that competitors are similarly situated, especially for the purpose of State taxation. I mean, Amazon and Walmart are competitors, but for State taxation, they are not similarly situated. Roberts: Well, if they’re not similarly situated, then the railroad loses. Brasher: That’s right. And I think — I think for the purposes of this tax– Roberts: But that’s a different question than saying what class they should be compared to. Brasher: –I don’t think so. Because I think — I think the question is — is — at the very least, the question is what the comparison class should be, and I think that CSX tells us at the very least, they should be similarly situated to. Kagan: But, you see, when you say “ similarly situated ”, and I think that’s right, but that seems to go to your second argument, which is, look, they’re not similarly situated because there’s another tax that falls upon motor carriers that doesn’t fall upon railroads, and that seems to me completely fair and — but — but not on the first question. Brasher: Well, let me — let me explain briefly on how I think it does go to the first question, which is that we’re talking about a sales and use tax, which is a tax on a transaction. It’s a tax on a transaction for the purchase of tangible property. And so the comparison class here should at least include the many businesses that also pay that tax from the items that they buy for their business. And railroads are no more similarly situated to their competitors than they are to every other business in the State that is also paying the tax when it buys items that it needs for its business. Sotomayor: But the problem is that, generally, one thinks of sales and use taxes as flip sides of each other. But here, the basis of a comparison is not quite similar. Because in one it measures what you buy, whether you use the gas in State or out of State, and the other meant — measures only what you use in Alabama. So there is a dissimilarity in the comparison that’s not the norm. Brasher: Right. So — so if you put the comparison class issue aside and you look at the comparison of the — of the tax the railroads pay and the tax the truckers pay, I think that they are comparable in the sense that — that those are the taxes that they pay on diesel fuel. And they’re comparable really in two ways. As a practical matter, they are the taxes that — that both of these entities are paying on diesel. Sotomayor: The circuit below said that was fortuitous and that at some point that could change. Brasher: Well, I’m saying that as a practical matter, they’re — they’re the taxes that are paid by these entities on diesel. And as a legal matter, the exemption that Alabama is providing to the truckers is because they are paying the other tax on the same gallon of diesel. Alito: On the — on the comparator issue, suppose that railroads and trucks used exactly the same fuel all the time, no difference whatsoever, and suppose that Alabama taxed the fuel purchased by the railroads but not by the trucks. Would there be a violation then? Brasher: Our position would be that, no, there would not be a violation on the comparison class issue as long as the general mass of businesses are still paying the same tax rate. And the — and the reason I say that is because if you link the railroad’s taxation to the general mass of other businesses in the State, then they’re not paying an unfair tax rate. Alito: Do you think that result is consistent with the purpose of this statute? Brasher: Yes. And — and the reason I say that is because the 4-R Act was an omnibus bill. It did many things. It, for example, appropriated almost $2 billion for — for subsidies to the railroad industry. But with this particular provision, what Congress was getting at was it was trying to prevent States from singling out or targeting railroads for taxes, which, quite frankly, States have been doing for years. And so that was the harm that Congress was trying to prevent and that is a harm that would be prevented if you used the general class– Roberts: No, but they wanted to prop up — they wanted to support the rail industry in a number of ways. And it seems odd to say in a — in a situation where they were giving them this much money, they still wanted to expose them to unfair competition by States that want to give other modes of transportation a tax benefit, but not to them. Brasher: –Well– Roberts: And their — that’s — their economic viability depends upon how they’re faring with respect to their competitors, not how they’re, you know, faring with respect to, you know, an agricultural conglomerate in the State. Brasher: –Well, ultimately, railroads are competing against other railroads. But I think that– Roberts: Well, no. They compete against trucks, too. Brasher: –Well — well, I think — I think there’s some — to a certain extent that they do compete, but to a certain extent they’re also complementary forms of transportation. If there were only trucks, they would be fine without railroads, but the railroads couldn’t exist without truckers. Kennedy: You really — you want — you — you want us to write an opinion to say railroads generally do not compete with trucking companies? That — you want that to be the opening line of our opinion? Brasher: No. I — I think the opening line of your opinion should be that courts should compare the taxation of railroads to the taxation of the general mass of other businesses with a focus on whether a State is singling those businesses for a tax that railroads– Breyer: Well, then fine. Why don’t you have a kerosene tax? Everybody pays 8 percent except for railroads. They have to pay 20 percent.
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    Okay? Now, it turns out that the only people who use kerosene besides railroads are ice-cream wagons. Isn’t the comparison — nobody else uses it. So wouldn’t you in that situation compare the railroads to the ice-cream wagons? That’s not the general. That just happens that the State thought of a way of getting the railroads. So — well, I would say, I guess that last thing is to think, we know you’re clever, State tax authorities, and you’ll figure out a million ways to do this, but if whatever way you figure out discriminates against the railroads, you lose. So why have a — a general class, a competitor class or some other class that (4) is a catchall? Brasher: –Well, the why is because I think the goal should be here to create some kind of balance that actually gives enough ex ante guidance– Breyer: Well, what about my case, then, when you say balance, et cetera? Who wins? Brasher: –Well, I think — I think ultimately, the railroads would probably win that case. Breyer: Because we look at all the tax, all the things, everybody pays 8 percent. That’s what it says. Brasher: Oh, no. I’m sorry. But if– Breyer: But railroads. Brasher: –If there was a special tax on kerosene and– Breyer: Yeah. Brasher: –and the only two entities that — I mean, that — that’s — for example, there’s a — there’s a case– Breyer: All right. So now we’re comparing the two entities that use kerosene. We’re not comparing– Scalia: Mr. Brasher, what — what’s an ice cream wagon anyway? [Laughter] Breyer: –It’s — it’s a wagon that uses kerosene to deliver ice cream. Brasher: –But I think — I think the main point here is that there are lots of businesses in Alabama that are paying the sales tax on the items that they need for their business, and there are also lots of businesses that are paying the sales tax on the diesel fuel when they need diesel fuel for their businesses. So manufacturers, mining companies, construction companies, timber companies, those businesses are the kinds of businesses that the railroads should be compared to because that prevents them from being treated unfairly. Alito: On the question of diesel fuel, I — I got the impression — this just an informational question — but I got the impression from briefs that diesel fuel is diesel fuel except some of it is dyed. But is that — is that true? Is it not the case that the dyed diesel fuel has a higher sulfur content than the clear diesel fuel and therefore costs less? Brasher: It’s my understanding that they are chemically the same. That — that the law is that the only difference between clear diesel fuel and dyed diesel fuel is that dyed diesel fuel is diesel fuel that has been indelibly dyed. So it’s my understanding that they are chemically the same. It could be that the United States government regulates those uses differently through some kind of environmental regulation, but I’m not that I’m aware of that. But I think — I think what the — setting the comparison class issue aside, what the district court did here is exactly what this Court told it to do when the Court remanded in — in CSX 1, and that’s it looked at our justifications, it found that they had nothing to do with railroads, and it also found that the railroads weren’t practically disadvantaged by the kind of treatment that they were getting and they weren’t practically disadvantaged with respect to truckers, because the truckers are paying a higher tax on the years at issue here. And the railroads could pay that tax ultimately if they wanted to, but they don’t want to because they realize that they’re actually paying a lower tax rate on their diesel. Kagan: General, one of the things that Mr. Phillips talks about is he — he makes the point that this is a very hard inquiry to carry out and that the experience of courts, when they try to do this in commerce cases, shows that. So what’s your answer to that? Brasher: Well, the — the inquiry that we’re asking the Court to perform is not difficult at all, and the district court performed it in one paragraph of its decision, which is you simply compare the taxes that we are imposing on diesel fuel for the truckers versus the taxes that the railroads are paying on the same item. And this is inherent in CSX’s complaint in this case where CSX is asking the courts to compare its taxes that it is paying on diesel fuel to the taxes that its competitors are paying on diesel fuel. And so it’s inconsistent for CSX to be arguing that that’s the comparison and inquiry the courts should make, but at the same time, courts can’t make that inquiry. And once again, as — as a purely legal matter, the tax exemption that we’re talking about here is the in the same part of the code that imposes the tax that the truckers have to pay. And the exemption reads, it says if you pay the tax on clear diesel — if you pay the fuels tax that Alabama imposes, then you don’t pay any other tax imposed by State law. And so, as a purely legal matter– Sotomayor: You’re — you — are you representing on the behalf of the State that the railroads could pay the motor vehicle tax– Brasher: –Yes. Sotomayor: –if they chose? Brasher: Yes. And that was our position in this Court in 2009 and it’s — it’s a clear reading of Alabama law because the reason the truckers are getting the exemption is because they’re paying the other tax. Sotomayor: They use the same type of diesel? Brasher: The truckers use clear diesel, which is chemically identified — identical to the dyed diesel that the railroads use. Sotomayor: Can they use– Brasher: Oh, I’m sorry. Sotomayor: –according to — in Federal law, can the railroads use the undyed– Brasher: As far as I’m aware, there is no prohibition under Federal law. There is certainly no prohibition on State law with respect to the railroads using clear diesel. Alito: But the truckers can’t use the dyed fuel. Brasher: That’s correct. Alito: Why — why is that? Brasher: Well, it’s because — it’s because the tax on the clear diesel is higher than the tax on the dyed diesel. Alito: So that would be why they might not want to, but why– Brasher: No. I think that’s why States and the Federal government are telling them that they can’t use the dyed diesel. Because we want them to– Alito: –It’s not for environmental reasons? Are you sure about that? Brasher: –I don’t think so. I mean, it’s certainly the way this — certainly the way this started is — is we started with a taxing scheme that required truckers to pay what — what at the time, at least, was much, much higher than railroads were paying. And so we wanted to prevent truckers from using the dyed diesel. The whole reason why we have clear diesel and dyed diesel to begin with is — is so that we could support this taxing scheme where we’re imposing a per-gallon tax on the truckers. Sotomayor: –Now, talk about the water carriers. Brasher: Right. Sotomayor: Are you going to suggest that if they stop at a dock and eat a meal, they can’t be charged a sales tax? Brasher: Well, I think the district court said two things about water carriers and neither one makes sense, which is that the railroads didn’t show any practical disadvantage with respect to water carriers because the only evidence in the record with respect to water carriers is that they make up 1 percent of the market for shipping goods from one part of Alabama to another. And — and to go back to the complementary point that I was making earlier, the district court also, quite rightly, refused to simply assume that treating water carriers with this minor preference was going to harm railroad’s bottom line, and this is why: Is that, for all we know, a perfectly reasonable assumption would be if our tax pretreatment for water carriers actually increase the amount of water commerce coming into Alabama, that would also increase the amount of commerce that railroads are from moving from docks to get to somewhere else in Alabama. So in light of the fact that there was essentially no evidence at all about water carriers to show that railroads actually suffered some practical disadvantage, I think the district court’s reasoning– Sotomayor: Well, there is a practical disadvantage; they paid a tax that the water carriers haven’t– Brasher: –Well– Sotomayor: –and it makes the water carriers more competitive against them. Brasher: –Well, and my point, I think the district court was right to say, well, they’re only 1 percent of the market for moving goods from one part of the– Kennedy: Well, but under your argument then, you could give tax exemptions to many businesses and then those businesses would grow and give more goods to the railroads. So that’s just simply — that can’t work. Brasher: –Well, I think — I think — my point being is that if the only evidence is what the railroads put into the record here, the district court doesn’t have to assume that they’re going to be practically disadvantaged. CSX’s position in this case would mean that if the State offered a tax exemption or tax incentive to a single competitor of a railroad, to a single company that just operates in a single city of the State, that CSX and every other railroad operating in the State would get exactly the same preference. And we could be offering that preference to a single company that costs the State $10,000, but to offer the same preference to the railroads would cost $40 million. Alito: Well, why doesn’t Alabama tax the fuel purchased by the water — water carriers? It’s kind of curious. Is it — is it just a remnant of an old understanding of the extent of — of the State’s power? Brasher: Yes. I — I think it’s for historical reasons with respect to the taxation of interstate commerce by water. The provision at issue here actually taxes Alabama’s own citizens when they’re — when they’re moving goods by water commerce from one part of the State to the other. So we’re taxing that — those transportation. We’re only not taxing it when someone moves goods from Alabama to some other State. And that’s another reason why I think the water carriers are largely irrelevant, because the railroads here aren’t even asking for the same tax treatment that we give to water carriers in that — in the sense that they don’t want to pay taxes at all. They don’t want some kind of different treatment based on whether they’re moving goods from one part of the State to the other. Roberts: You — you tax the water carriers when they move within Alabama? Brasher: We tax intrastate shipments. So the exemption at issue here is only for the movement of goods in interstate commerce. Roberts: How is that — how is that consistent with the statute admitting Alabama to the Union, which says the water — the first time — the water will remain — forever remain public highways without any tax, duty, impost or toll? Brasher: Well, fortunately, we haven’t had that litigation, but– [Laughter] –but I think — but I think — to go — to go to your point, Justice Alito, I mean, the historical treatment of water carriers is there’s been historical preferences for water shipments by interstate commerce in this country ever since it was a country. And so that’s the reason why we have this preference in our tax code. Breyer: You think that when we send it back, if we did and you won, that suppose you win on the ground that there is no fixed group, it depends on the case who you compare them with. So here, compare them with the trucks. Now, you’ll say, as you do say, that we have a very good reason for treating them differently. The trucks have to pay this extra tax for the fuel, and railroads don’t. My guess is, and this is what I want to know, that they’ll come back and say, but the reason that they pay that extra tax is to support highways, and railroads don’t use highways. And then you’ll have to figure out whether that is discrimination or isn’t discrimination, because indeed they do pay a higher tax. But it is to go to highways, and does that count or not? Now, my question, I don’t think you can answer that — if you want to, try. I’m really just interested, is that likely to be the shape of the argument or not? Brasher: Well, I think the district court already addressed that. So you have a district court opinion in this case which found in our favor applying the competitive comparison class, and like I said, put the comparison class to one side doing effectively what the court told it to do in CSX 1. So the district court already addressed that and decided that when the State is — is using tax revenue for general public purposes, it really is irrelevant how the State is raising that revenue. We could have a yearly appropriation for highway maintenance and it would be the same thing as having a dedicated source of funding for highway maintenance. And it’s not as if the truckers are paying for all of Alabama’s highway maintenance. We’re also taxing other people in the State to add money to that to build highways. And so ultimately, I think the district court was right that that’s just a red herring– Scalia: And the trucker tax is not directed to highways exclusively? It goes into a general fund? Brasher: –No, the — the fuel tax that the truckers are paying is set aside for highway construction, highway maintenance. But my point is that it’s — it’s not as if the truckers are the only ones paying for the highways to be built in Alabama; it’s not as if the truckers are the only ones using the highways. We’d have to find some funds to build highways regardless of how we get them. And also, CSX’s own expert, when testifying in this case, agreed that railroads also benefit from roads, railroads also benefit from schools, and these are the kind of indirect benefits that the State has to provide as part of a general public purposes of the State. But I think the real problem with CSX’s proposed rule in this case is that it provides zero ex ante guidance to State policymakers about how to structure a tax system in a way that doesn’t discriminate against railroads, but does actually require them to pay their fair share. And I think that’s what the Court should focus on. And the Eleventh Circuit’s opinion in this case in Footnote 5 of the opinion, the Eleventh Circuit recognized that even if we were requiring truckers to pay four times as much as we were requiring the railroads to pay, the Eleventh Circuit would still find that we are discriminating against railroads in that circumstance. I would like to reserve the remainder of my time for rebuttal. Roberts: Thank you, counsel. Ms. Goldenberg. Goldenberg: Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court: We disagree with Petitioners as to the comparison class issue and agree with Petitioners as to the issue of the alternative and comparable tax on the motor carriers. I’d like to start with the comparison class issue if I could, although I’d like to devote time to both of those issues. With respect to the comparison class issue, I do think, as Justice Scalia’s question indicated, that the omission of a specific comparison class in (b)(4) is extremely telling here when there is such a specific comparison class set forth in (b)(1) through (3). And I also think it’s very important that I think there is a very good rational reason why Congress would have wanted to leave the comparison class issue open with respect to (b)(4) and not limit the comparison class in that arena to other commercial and industrial entities. And the reason is this: With respect to property taxes, I think Congress can rest assured that virtually all commercial and industrial entities are going to have real property and that if you’re grouping the railroads with those entities and you’re doing something unduly burdensome, those entities are going to speak up, they’re going to use their political power, they’re going to complain in some way. And so it’s protective of the railroads to have that kind of comparison class. With respect to other kinds of taxation, non-property taxation, I don’t think you can say that the same thing is true. And specifically with respect to diesel fuel, I think, and I’m just hypothesizing here, but it is very likely that there are many commercial and industrial taxpayers who either don’t use diesel fuel at all or use very little diesel fuel in their businesses, such that a tax on diesel fuel that applies to them is a very small burden for them. And if you are going to count on the fact that they’re going to speak up if there is a very burdensome diesel fuel tax that’s laid on them and on railroads, I don’t think that that holds true. And that’s a situation in which, if it’s really railroads and their competitors who are using the diesel fuel, then the competitors are the comparison class that you ought to be looking to. Kagan: Ms. Goldenberg, could I ask, you know, in one set of cases maybe a railroad is saying we’re being singled out. In another set of cases a railroad comes in and says no, we’re not being singled out but our competitors are being treated better than we are. Are there any other kinds of cases out there or is it mostly just, you know, as compared to the general taxpayer and as compared to competitors? Is there any other way to — to shape a complaint in this field? Goldenberg: As far as I’m aware, there is not. And I’m not aware of cases that fall into any other category besides those. And I think the reason is that railroads don’t make claims that people who aren’t their competitors — a small group of people who aren’t their competitors are being treated differently than they are. Because I think in situations like that it’s very easy for the State to come in and say, here is a reasonable distinction between those other people and you, the railroad. So, for instance, you had a church or a school that was being exempted from a tax that a railroad paid, it would be extremely easy for the State to say, well, churches and schools have socially beneficial or charitable purposes, they’re not involved in business like railroads, railroads don’t compete with them and so it doesn’t harm railroad’s financial stability to have them exempted. So in some ways the comparison class of competitors is sort of a proxy for the kinds of reasons that the State is going to be able to give in order to distinguish between the allegedly favored and less favored groups. I’d also like to point out that I think there are very serious problems with the singled out or targeted requirement that the State is espousing here. And that is that either — depending on how you apply it, it’s going to be highly manipulatable by the State or it’s going to have major administrability problems, and let me explain why. If you have a true singled-out requirement, so you find that railroads can’t win a discrimination claim under (b)(4) unless they are the only ones who are subject to a tax, then I think it’s extremely easy for the State to evade any (b)(4) liability whatsoever simply by grouping together with the railroads some other entity or set of entities on whom the tax burden doesn’t fall very heavily or a set of entities that’s not very quickly powerful and won’t speak up, and in virtually every case the State will be able to escape from (b)(4) liability and sort of vitiate that provision. If you don’t have a true singled-out requirement, if you have a more kind of amorphous targeting requirement, then I think you have very problematic line-drawing issues. Because it’s unclear whether, if you’ve got five other entities grouped with the railroad or ten other entities or 20 other entities, whether that can — constitutes targeting and where you actually draw the line. And so I think that just applying the definition of discriminates that this Court laid out in its decision last time this case was here is actually much easier to apply, much easier to administer than any kind of targeted or singled-out requirement. Alito: Could I ask you about the second point? What is your response to CSX’s argument that this is really a very, very difficult comparison to make? And so here you have — you have a formula that will be beneficial to one side or the other depending on the price of diesel fuel if, in fact, diesel fuel is diesel fuel. But in one case, the tax is on the purchase of the fuel, in the other case, the tax is on the use of the fuel. They’re used for different purposes. And, you know, it’s easy for — for us to say, well, okay, go back and, you know, do it, District Court or court of appeals, but how would you do — how would you resolve those issues? Goldenberg: I think– Alito: Why is it a manageable comparison to make? Goldenberg: –I think with respect to both of them there are — I can explain why I think the taxes are comparable despite the arguments that have been raised. But I just want to back up and, for a second, make a larger point which is, I think what the lower court has done here and what courts of appeals have done generally, is just sort of throw up their hands and say under no possible circumstances could we ever compare taxes, could we ever look beyond the face of the challenged tax. And that can’t possibly be correct. This Court, in its dormant commerce class cases, in its cases about discrimination against the Federal government and those with whom it deals, does just that. And there is no reason why the rule should be narrower here. Kagan: Although I do think that might make one of Mr. Phillips’ point is that maybe those cases don’t fill one with confidence. Goldenberg: Well, I think there is a long history, particularly in the dormant commerce clause area, of the Court looking to alternative and comparable taxes. I think the Court has taken a very narrow view of what constitutes a substantially equivalent taxable item or event, for instance, and I don’t disagree that that view could apply in this area. Alito: Well, you say it’s doable, so can you address– Goldenberg: Yes. Alito: –any of the points that I mentioned? Does it matter that one — that the — the revenue from one is dedicated to a single purpose rather than going into the — into the general pot? Does it matter that one is a tax on purchase and the other is a tax on use? Goldenberg: I’m happy to talk about each of those. With respect to the first one, the purpose for which the tax revenue is being used, I don’t think that that plays into the analysis under (b)(4) about whether there is a discrimination in imposing the tax. There may be, perhaps, in some dimension, discrimination in how the State uses its tax revenues, but that’s not what the statute is about. This statute is about the tax burden that’s imposed– Breyer: Well, wait a minute, wait a minute. Why? The obvious case which is right here is that the railroads say, you’re taxing us at a higher rate. The State’s response is, true, but we do it because the trucks pay even more for their diesel fuel. There’s a higher tax. Their response is, but the reason that they do that is because they use highways and we want to pay for those. Now, in terms of just pure logic, that is a point; isn’t it? And so that — that’s what I think is one example of what Justice Alito was driving at. And why — why do you not have to take that into account, and if you do, how? Goldenberg: –Well, I don’t think you have to take it into account. What I’m suggesting is I don’t think the analysis should go beyond the imposition of– Breyer: Because? Goldenberg: –the tax and the tax burden because of the language of (b)(4) and also because otherwise you would end up in a very bizarre situation where you could have a unitary tax that fell on motor carriers and railroads equally. There’s one tax provision that says motor carriers and railroads, you both pay “ X ” cents per gallon on your fuel and a railroad could nevertheless come in and claim discrimination under (b)(4) if the State took that tax revenue and used it to build roads. That seems like an awfully strange result. It would also mean that you could have the same tax structure in different states that would be discriminatory in one state and not discriminatory in another, depending on how the state spent its revenues. I also agree with what my friend from Alabama said with respect to the evidence in the record here about how the — the motor carriers aren’t being in some way kind of especially or uniquely benefitted by the roads, using money to build roads benefits the general public and it also benefits railroads. Railroads use trucks to bring freight to and from their trains and they are part of the system of the state where everybody needs these roads. And it may be that motor carriers benefit a little bit more than other people, but it is for the general welfare. That’s what a tax is. Breyer: What about the second part, that it — does it make a difference taxes on use as opposed to taxes on sales? Goldenberg: I don’t think it makes a difference that one is on use and one is on sale. For one thing, I do think that as a practical matter those categories kind of blur together here. Motor carriers pay at the pump, which they, I think, experience as a tax on sales. Then later, under the International Fuel Tax Agreement, the State takes the money and sort of sends it around in this clearinghouse system to other states where the fuel may have been used. But it’s not something that I think the motor carrier necessarily experiences as different than a sales tax. And on the other side of the equation, the railroads do pay — they’re complaining about sales and use taxes. My understanding is that railroads generally purchase their fuel, their diesel fuel, wholesale. The definition of “ retail sale ” in the Alabama tax law says that when you buy wholesale, what counts as a retail sale is the withdrawal, use or consumption of the item. So I think the– Scalia: What about water carriers? Are you going to say anything about that. Goldenberg: –Certainly. In our view, the water carriers issue should be remanded to the court of appeals in the first instance because it hasn’t addressed the district court’s reasons why there is no discrimination. We are dubious that the district court’s reasons are correct, but in any event, we’d urge the Court not to simply decide the water carriers issue without deciding the alternative and comparable tax issue because, in that case, we think the state could just change the statute with respect to water carriers and all the motor carrier-related issues would remain. Ginsburg: Do you think that — that the ruling, the district court’s ruling on the comparability of the taxes is also dubious? Goldenberg: The district court’s ruling on– Ginsburg: The district court found that these were complementary or– Goldenberg: –No. We agree that the district court analyzed the comparability of the taxes correctly and did so with the agreement of the parties as to how they should be compared. Roberts: Thank you, counsel. Mr. Phillips. Phillips: Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court: Let me begin by debunking a — a statement that gets repeated often in this litigation which is that somehow the railroads are here seeking a most-favored nation opportunity. The truth is Alabama — in Alabama, we pay $10 million a year in sales taxes. We pay taxes every time we buy gasoline or — or fuel that we use on road. We do that all the time. We have no quarrel with that, we don’t have any objection to that. What we do– Sotomayor: Why do you bother? If you’re going to be taxed at $10 million, why don’t you buy it in the adjoining state before you cross the Alabama lines? Phillips: –Well, I mean, there — there are ways of doing business, but we also are entitled to the protections under the 4-R Act which is designed, candidly, to ensure that our financial stability which means that we ought to always be in a position where we can approach all of our business decisions in the most efficient way and hopefully put ourselves in a position in order to compete against the motor carriers and the — and the water carriers. And that’s precisely what the comparison class takes you to, which is, it’s all well and good to say that, you know, the statute addresses targeting. And that’s fine, and that’s clearly right because that’s what Congress undeniably saw primarily in the count of (b)(1) to (b)(3) range, and that’s why it identified this specific class that it was worried about for targeting. But when it gets to the point of talking about every other form of discrimination, another tax that discriminates, in that context it only makes sense to think about this in the context of your competitors, because Congress’s other purpose in this was to ensure that there would be financial stability, that the railroads would, once again, be able to operate on their own. And, obviously, to the extent that you’ve authorized the states to choose, for whatever reason, to benefit motor and water carriers routinely to the detriment of the railroads, that completely undermines it. So it seems to me, and — and my colleague from the Solicitor General’s Office has done an excellent job of sort of going through the various points on the comparison class, I’m happy to answer any questions on that further, but I’m more inclined to deal with the justifications. On the justifications– Roberts: Well, just on the comparison class, can’t you let the water carriers go? I mean, it’s a very tiny percentage that’s at issue. It’s governed by the admission to the Union. They sometimes touch down in Alabama, they sometimes don’t. And I don’t want to have the case up here a third time. Phillips: –I — I won’t take that last comment personally, Mr. Chief Justice. The — I mean, they have 1 percent of the market; we have 6 percent of the market. That’s — that’s — that’s still an important competitor of ours. They stipulated — it’s in their stipulation, these are a major competitor, we compete in a major way on the basis of the fuel that we use. We’re talking about a statute at the time that was designed to ensure against the nonsurvival of the railroad industry. I think the idea — first of all, Congress knows how to incorporate a de minimus exception. It did it in the — in the component dealing with (b)(1), (b)(3) as it gets applied. It didn’t do it in (b)(4). And so, therefore, as much as I would prefer — and actually, I can get you out of coming back here, because if you say that the water carriers are — are, in fact, within the class to be evaluated, there is no justification put forward. The Eleventh Circuit is 100 percent correct about that. Roberts: So if there’s one water carrier, you win? Or if there’s one odd method of transportation, you win? Phillips: I — I– Roberts: That sounds like most-favored nation to me. Phillips: –No, but that’s not — that’s not the way the case comes here. The case comes here with a stipulation that water carriers are a major competitor of ours. It’s not that there’s only one of them. It’s that there is a significant amount of traffic that flows. We have 6 percent– Sotomayor: The district court– Phillips: –they have 1 percent. Sotomayor: –The district court appeared in its opinion — and I — and I may be wrong — to say that you, in fact, had not proven that they were really competitors. It seemed to say you had not shown the competitive impact. Phillips: Right. Sotomayor: And that’s what I took it to be saying, that you hadn’t shown that they really do take resources away from you. Phillips: Well, first of all, that’s inconsistent with the stipulation. But, two, the district court got it a 100 percent wrong. Even as Judge Cox, in his dissenting opinion, said in the Eleventh Circuit, which is that we satisfy our — our obligation to demonstrate the prima facie case by showing that the water carriers are flatly exempt on the face of the statute. That’s facial discrimination. It becomes the state’s burden at that point to justify it. And if the state had wanted to come in and say, oh, sure we can justify it because they’re not really competitors in some sense, that would be fine. But that’s not their stipulation. Their stipulation is that this is a major competitor of ours and on — on a subject matter, fuel, that is a major portion of the way in which we compete against each other. So I think, Your Honor, the easiest way not to have to see me again — at least representing CSX in this context — is to say water carriers count, it’s their stipulation, we shouldn’t have had to get to this issue in any event because I don’t think it was in the cert petition, and there’s really no reason to go ahead and try to sort out the thorny issues that Justice Alito was talking about as to how you’re going to try, from here on, to apply the comparability standard in this particular case. Alabama wants to do it in a very simpleminded way, how much are you paying today and how much are they paying today, and if it’s close enough, that’s good enough for government work. The problem with that is, is that all of the case law that deals with comparability — and this Court’s decisions have run about as far away from notions of comparability as you can since it first adopted the rule to deal with this straight, strict, sales tax and use tax, which really are the mirror image of each other. Ever since then, every other tax has been analyzed under those standards. The Court has said, no, no, that’s not the way we’re going to do — we’re not going to get into that comparability analysis. And I — I would most — most particularly point you in the direction of Professor Hellerstein — Hellerstein’s brief where he describes — he says, look, if it’s true comparability, that’s one thing. But we’re talking here about taxes that are — the taxes that are not mutually exclusive proxies for each other. They’re imposed on different activities at different rates and for different purposes. And how we’re going to ask a district court to say these are sufficiently similar– Sotomayor: I’m — I’m just not moved by the purpose part for the following reason. I think your brother was absolutely correct that how the state uses its tax revenues is a personal decision by it. It could have put all of the money into the treasury and said, but we’re going to calculate what we spend on highways according to this formula, because we want to do it. That’s exactly what they’ve done here. They could say we’re going to beautify the route for railroads, and we’re going to give them X amount of money to do that from our state treasury, and we’re calculating it a little bit from the fuel they bought. Phillips: –But, Justice Sotomayor, I think it’s a more — it should be a more nuanced analysis than that. And — and I — and I disagree with my friend from the Solicitor General’s office on — on this particular point. Because when — when you’re talking about the use that’s put to it, there’s no question — we — we couldn’t bring a claim that says, we’re — we’re taxed exactly the same in all ways, you know. It’s two sales taxes, one’s called a sales tax against railroads and the other is called a sales tax against motor carriers, and — and come back in and say, but you’re going to use that money for their benefit and not for our benefit. That — we couldn’t make that claim, that — no doubt about that, and we’ve never made a claim like that. But it is — the situation is reversed. They have created an exemption for motor carriers. It is now their burden to justify, in all respects consistent with the overall purposes of the statute, that exemption. And there, it seems to me, it is fair game for us to say, wait a second, what are you going to use that money for. You’re using that money to benefit the — the — the motor carriers. Now, we pay money to that, and we benefit that — we benefit from that, too, when we actually use the highways. But what this money is designed for and what the motor carriers want is more taxes like that because that way they improve the quality of the roads, and it helps them to be a better competitor against us. It seems to me, in a situation where you’re trying to justify discrimination against us designed to eliminate the possibility of undermining our ability to compete, whether or not that the State uses that money for to undermine our ability to compete, should still be fair game under (b)(4). And that’s why I would urge the Court to read Professor Hellerstein’s brief and analyze the complexities that are embedded in the regime the State asks you to go to. If you don’t want to go that far, then I’d ask you to simply say that water carriers is enough on a basis to say this is unconstitutional and affirm the Eleventh Circuit. Roberts: Now, just to get back to them, it’s 1 percent and 6 percent of what? Phillips: Of the interstate business. Roberts: Interstate business. Breyer: Did — did the court of appeals deal with your point you just made about the — a special purpose of the extra tax that the truckers pay? Phillips: Not in — not in precisely those terms. Breyer: What I’m trying to figure out is — is how are they supposed to conduct this comparison analysis? Phillips: Well, that — no, but that is exactly– Breyer: What they did is they didn’t do it. Phillips: –No, no. But that’s exactly what the Eleventh Circuit said– Breyer: Right. Phillips: –is that once you open that box and get into the business, all other kinds of things that Professor Hellerstein tells you you have to look at, the inquiry becomes limitless and that the carrier– Breyer: Well, fine. But suppose that the — suppose the reason that the truckers have to pay this extra tax is not to go into a fund that benefits them. Suppose, indeed, it’s to go into a fund that benefits railroads. I mean, so — so doesn’t — you have to — you have to say whether or not — you wouldn’t say that no matter what the purpose of this extra tax is don’t consider it, would you? Phillips: –Well, what I would say is, when you know that the taxes are not mutually exclusive proxies, I mean, the question is — I don’t think this Court is going to have any — any ability to sort of sit down here and try to come up with a set of standards of comparability. What I would ask the Court to look at is in this case what do we know? That these are taxed on — these are imposed on different activities, the privilege of using the roads as opposed to a sales tax, at different rates, 15 cents versus 4 percent which, in the last four years, we know have — have been to the disadvantage of the railroads, and in this case, for different purposes. The fact that there may be another case in which they decide to make them for the same purpose, that would still not modify the core of what the comparability analysis requires, this — which remains enormously complicated and not — and, to my mind at least, not worth the candle. Breyer: Of course it isn’t. You won. And — and the — the — and what– Phillips: Well, even if I– Breyer: –What’s worry — what’s worrying me is– Phillips: –For an academic I would say the same thing. Breyer: –you know, but it’s not — it’s — State taxes are so complex and — and that they didn’t even have a — they didn’t really have a chance — they could have, but they didn’t, go into the what is this extra tax the truckers pay, is it comparable, and that’s a good reason for having them pay less sales tax, or does it really have nothing to do with the price of anything and, therefore, it’s a bad reason and, therefore, you win. They didn’t consider that. That’s what’s worrying me. And if I send it back, if I — if we do that, not only do we have to do it, they have to go through all this again. Phillips: Well– Breyer: We’re going to have to tell them just what to do, which that sounds worse to me, and — and, moreover, it may come back here again. Phillips: –We can — we can — I understand all that. But — but it seems to me, Justice Breyer, everything you just said there should lead to the conclusion that the right answer here is to affirm and — and to do so because they had the opportunity to put in evidence. They — they followed a simpleminded approach, as of day one, there is — this is the amount of money that’s being paid, that’s close enough for me, we’re done, as opposed to the true comparability analysis that would be required. Sotomayor: How do we do that? How do we do that with — with the water carriers? I — I do see your point with respect to the motor vehicle drivers because there the entire argument was around comparability and was it comparable. And the court said — but it basically said we’re not going to get into it. If they call it something else, we won’t do it– Phillips: But– Sotomayor: –It didn’t quite say what you said. Phillips: –No, but I — I think, one, the Court can certainly recognize that what I said is precisely part of the problem that comes out of the comparability analysis. Once you get into evaluating different purposes– Sotomayor: Now — now you want a really broad rule that says you’ve got to — you’ve got to use the same label on every tax, States. You’ve got to treat competitors with the same label all of the time. Phillips: –Well, it’s the same tax. I mean, I — I don’t know. Sotomayor: Well– Phillips: At the end of the day, that is the rule I’m hoping for. Sotomayor: –If they — if they had done a mirror excise tax, you would have been happy? Phillips: I — yes, I would not have a complaint on that score. On the other — but just to be clear, Justice Sotomayor– Sotomayor: But that’s a still comparability issue. Phillips: –Right. Sotomayor: We’ve always said– Phillips: But it’s a single compare — comparability issue. The problem here is if you go down the road of sufficient justification, it is an extraordinarily complicated comparability issue. And I would hope the Court wouldn’t want to go down that road more than because I won this case, but more fundamentally, the Court doesn’t have to go down that road because there is a major competitor and there was never a justification given for that reason. Sotomayor: –All right. On the water carriers it never addressed the — the court below never addressed — the Eleventh Circuit never addressed the reasons that were given. Phillips: Well, that’s because the reasons they were given were completely — well, the — the concurring — the concurring Judge Cox did. He said those reasons don’t justify it because all he said was you — and — and if you look at the district court’s rationale, it — it won’t get you home either because, again, first it said it’s our burden to demonstrate that there’s — that there’s been an injury. That’s not our burden. We satisfied our burden, and the Eleventh Circuit said that when we — when we came forward. Then — so it was there — therefore, with an exemption, their burden to show why. The only thing they came up with was — or what the only thing the district court bought was, well, we hadn’t proved — once again putting the burden on us — that this would be constitutional in all circumstances. That’s not enough to justify allowing an exemption like that to remain in place. And — and essentially the court of appeals basically said there is no rational justification for it. There’s none — not been one put forward. It — it’s a relic of 50 years ago, and that’s not a sufficient — I would hope that’s not a sufficient justification in the meaning of the Court’s prior opinion. If there are no other further questions, I’ll let you make– Ginsburg: Yes. So what do you do with — the — the district judge did make the comparison between the motor carrier tax, and — and you — you say that — that comparison was inadequate because? Phillips: –Because it didn’t — it didn’t take into account the rest of the analysis. It didn’t deal with the purpose; it didn’t deal with the nature of the tax. All it said was that a particular arbitrary point in time, the amounts in — the amounts weren’t all that different. Ginsburg: But it also said that if you don’t engage in that kind of comparison, then you’re going to end up with the railroad becoming the most favored taxpayer. Phillips: But that’s just a conclusion, and it’s not — it’s not true. Because it is always available to the State to put our competitors in the same position we are in. And if for some reason that’s not possible, then that might well be a sufficient justification for some differential tax. But it is all — in this context, it is clearly possible. There’s no problem, you know, removing the exemption for the — for the sales tax that the water carriers pay. There is no problem imposing a 4 percent sales tax on the clear fuel that the motor carriers pay. If they do that, we’re done. Kagan: Is– Roberts: I might have — I might have missed it, but why isn’t it a sufficient justification for different treatment of the water carriers that the statute admitting Alabama to the union said they couldn’t tax traffic on the river? Phillips: Well, I think because the — the chain — because the Constitution has changed. First of all, I don’t know what– Roberts: The Constitution might have changed, but the statute didn’t. Phillips: –But I don’t know that that’s a tax on the river because that could just be a tax that’s designed to deal with, like, a toll road. So I don’t know what that language actually refers to. This is just a tax on gasoline that’s being used to allow you to get on the river. So I don’t — I don’t know — I mean, this is — given that this wasn’t the subject of any scrutiny by anyone, nor put forward in any serious way, I don’t — I mean, that — I don’t think it’s a legitimate justification. But — but in any event, it’s still available to Alabama. Well, I — I suppose you could say Alabama would take the risk if it — if it removes the exemption that somebody would bring suit against them, but I don’t think that’s a very serious challenge. Kennedy: So suppose the State taxed railroads at 4 percent, but then gave them a — a credit against what they paid on the highway tax. Would you be back in the same position you are now? Phillips: Gave an exemption to the — I’m sorry? Kennedy: That they gave — they gave a deduction for the sales tax against what they’ve paid in highway taxes. Phillips: So you’re talking about the railroads and what we pay a highway tax? Kennedy: No, so the — the truckers. Phillips: I just want to make sure I understand. Kennedy: I — I — I misstated. They taxed the truckers the same as they tax you, 4 percent. Phillips: Right. Kennedy: But then they give the truckers a deduction for whatever they paid in the highway tax. Phillips: Well, no. Then I think we’d be right back to the same — same boat. Kagan: –As — as I understand the court of appeals’ judgment as to the truckers, the court of appeals just said it’s too complicated, forget it, we’re not even going to look at Alabama’s argument. Now you’re here and you’re saying, well, Alabama’s argument is too simple. There’s a whole raft of other things to — to include in the analysis of whether that tax on the truckers is, in fact, comparable. But the decision that we have before us just threw up its hands and refused to look at the whole alternative tax issue. That seems, to me, a problem for you, isn’t it? Phillips: Well, in the first place, it’s not a problem for me if you decide on the water carriers. But even on its own terms, it seems to me this Court has previously recognized in Snead, in a similar anti-discrimination provision, that it is simply not appropriate to do the kind of simple analysis Alabama proposes here and just say, at the end of the day, electricity is going to be better off in-state than out-of-state or out-of-state than in-state so don’t worry about it, we’re good. Kagan: Well, doesn’t it have to be appropriate as going in that Alabama can say, here’s the tax that we impose on truckers? They’re really being treated in the exact same way just under two different provisions of the tax code, and then it’s up to you to say why that’s wrong. Phillips: Right, but — and — and we did say why that’s wrong. Kagan: But that’s not what the court of appeals said. The court of appeals did not say, oh, you know, CSX has convinced us that these are not comparable taxes. Instead, what the court of appeals said is we’re not even going to look at whether they are comparable taxes. Phillips: Right. And — and I realize — I recognize a bit of a disconnect there. But the reason why they said they weren’t going to get engaged in that inquiry is because the very items I’ve identified, the nature of the tax, the purpose of the tax, the incidence of the tax, are very — are all complicated issues and you can go through the rest of the Hellerstein criteria — very complicated issues, and if the State is only going to come in here and try to defend itself on the basis that at one point in time the money is pretty close, that’s not going to get it done. And so then the question is — and this is where I think the Eleventh Circuit said, look, this is clearly not enough — we’re not going to go down this path and so that’s the ruling. Now, if the Court wants to quarrel with that, at some point, I don’t think this is the right case in which to do that. First of all, this issue wasn’t presented in the cert petition. And second of all, it’s — it’s completely unnecessary to resolve this particular case properly. You can affirm on at least two alternative reasons without having to go down the path of figuring out exactly whether comparability is worth a candle. If there are no further questions now, I’ll let you get your lunch. Roberts: Thank you, counsel. General Brasher, you have five minutes. Brasher: Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice: Let me just make a few quick points. One is that if you adopt the position that the State’s justifications matter, it’s no more difficult to analyze a justification that has to do with another tax of any other justification. As a matter of fact, it’s a lot easier because you can just use math as opposed to evaluating some other justification. And the justification with respect to the truckers is that we are obligated under a series of interstate agreements, international agreements and Federal law, to impose a per-gallon tax on the truckers. And then once you impose that tax on the truckers, the question arises should you also impose an additional sales tax on the same transaction as the purchase of diesel fuel. And it makes perfect sense for the State to say, as a policy matter, that we’re not going to double tax the same transaction. It was surprising to hear my friend talk about how he would be fine if the State tried to treat railroads in a way that was the same as truckers, because that’s exactly what the State of Tennessee did and it found itself in a real quandary that this Court needs to prevent. Which is the railroads were arguing that Tennessee was discriminating against them because the railroads weren’t treated like truckers. They won that litigation. And then — so Tennessee turned around and tried to craft a statute that treated railroads exactly the same way as truckers. And then the railroad sued again saying that they were being targeted or singled out for a tax that no one else had to pay. And I think that is a necessary implication of the rule that my friend on the other side is adopting which is that it is — it is discrimination to treat railroads unlike anyone that they particularly say that they compete with and it’s also discrimination to try to avoid that discrimination. And the other point I would make is that we’re not talking in this case about a tax on diesel fuel. We’re talking about a sales tax. When CSX sends us a check for their taxes, there is one line and it says sales tax. This is how much we pay to the State basis on sales tax. And everybody else, all the other businesses in the State that have to pay the sales tax on the items that they need for their businesses, are sending us the same check that says this is what we have to pay on sales tax. And with respect to diesel specifically, manufacturing companies, timber companies, construction companies, when they send us a check, they — they say sales tax and that includes everything else that they have to pay on the sales tax and the diesel fuel. And that money that we’re using, that we’re collecting by the sales tax, goes to — primarily for education, which is something that the railroads benefit from just like everyone else in the State. But ultimately what we’re asking the Court to do is adopt a rule that if we are using the — the hand-picked class of competitors, that the courts actually have to weigh a State’s reasons for the exemptions in its tax code and with a focus on whether the railroads are suffering any practical disadvantage. And that’s what the Eleventh Circuit refused to do. That’s ultimately what the district court did do. And I think I disagree with my friend on the other side about the burden of proof in this case. It’s always going to be the railroad’s burden of proof to show discrimination. And I think the district court applied exactly the right formula for determining that. Which is — which is if you’re in the zone where you’re using the railroads’ competitors as a comparison class, then you’re in that area because you’re worried about whether they’re suffering some practical disadvantage vis-a-vis their competitors. And so it makes sense only to strike down a tax if they actually are suffering some real world practical disadvantage and that’s something that they never showed in this case. Ultimately, what the Court should do is it should put itself in the position of a state and local policy maker who is trying to impose a fair and non-discriminatory tax scheme that does not discriminate against railroads but does actually require them to pay their fair share of taxes. I think we proposed two rules in this case that would allow that State policy maker, when he or she is being lobbied by all sorts of other industry groups to get tax exemptions, to figure out whether they can give those tax exemptions without also eliminating the taxes that a completely separate industry group would ultimately pay. And that is that you can use a comparison class of general other businesses with a focus on whether railroads are being singled out or you can say the courts must actually weigh a State’s reasons for the exemptions in its tax code with a focus on whether railroads are being practically disadvantaged. Unless the Court has any further questions– Roberts: Anything you can give us on barges? Brasher: –Well, I would make one point about that and that the only thing in the record is not only that they’re 1 percent of the market, but that specific stipulation that we entered into is about the intrastate market, 1 percent of the intrastate market. And that’s actually where they’re taxed. So the only thing in the record about barges, it doesn’t even go to — to my friend’s arguments. And once again, they’re not asking for the same tax treatment as the interstate water carriers. If they were, then there would be a lot more litigation on that point because those water carriers have an exemption that, like I said, taxes when they’re moving goods from one place to an Alabama to another but doesn’t tax them when they’re moving those goods from Alabama to another state. So that’s the same ship going from one place in Alabama to another place, paying taxes on its diesel fuel. When the same ship goes from Alabama to somewhere else, it’s not. That’s not what the railroads ever asked for which is the reason why that issue has not really been litigated in the case. Roberts: Thank you, counsel. The case is submitted.

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