Stephens Island Wren and the Cobra Effect: Citation Needed 6×03
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Stephens Island Wren and the Cobra Effect: Citation Needed 6×03

August 28, 2019

This is the Technical Difficulties, we’re
playing ‘Citation Needed’. Joining me today, he reads books y’know, it’s
Chris Joel. I’ve… still not put it together in the right order,
I’ll try for the second show. Everybody’s favourite Gary Brannan, Gary Brannan. Get out o’my office! And standing in for Matt Gray,
the Mouth from the South, Will Seaward. I have, indeed, eaten Matt. In front of me I have an article from Wikipedia
and these folks can’t see it. Every fact they get right
is a point and a ding and there’s a prize for a particularly good
answers, which is… And today we are talking about
the Stephens Island wren. A person in the lady navy…? This is really terrible! The lady navy(!) The Lady Navy? Just for those who don’t have their
British naval history there… ‘the lady navy’? That was like a car at the start
of a Formula 1 race, just stalling on the start line. I can’t remember the acronym. I get the… Is it just Women’s Royal Navy, is that it?
There’s no E. The Women’s Royal Naval Service, the WRNS. The WRNS, there we go. Well, that’s the 1940s isn’t it? Because there’s no such thing now. Yes, you’re absolutely right. It was 1993, apparently, when it all got unified. This has nothing to do with
the Stephens Island wren, but as a cheap joke that started the show,
well done. Yes, well done. Is it a bird? S***, I should have gone for plane first,
shouldn’t I? Is it from Stephens Island? How the frig is he getting points as easy
as that this time?! He’s new! Let him off. Is there a Wikipedia article about it? That is the point of the show. Genus troglodytes. Genus troglodytes? No. What? Not this time. I am offended. I’m having to look this up. The common wren is troglodytes troglodytes.
So I thought if it was a wren, it would probably be troglodytes something-elsesius. Alright, what we have here is Chris Joel,
ornithologist. When I say, “Ornith”, you say, “Ologist.”
Ornith! Ologist! Ornith! Ologist! No. That’s the first time that’s ever been used
right though, because usually I haven’t a f***ing clue. Well, in this case, unfortunately,
you are wrong. The Eurasian wren is troglodytes troglodytes, this is the Stephens Island wren,
traversia lyalli. Does it go through French alleyways? Le Alley? Le-alley. Will, you have slotted into Matt’s seat
just perfectly. Well, when I ate him I stole his powers! That’s how it works. You actually had a buzz cut didn’t you,
before you went in? The man was clean shaven and five foot one. The Stephens Island wren, gentlemen,
a long time ago… So far we’ve established it’s a bird on
Stephens Island that’s a wren, basically, haven’t we? Yes. Well, its last refuge was Stephens Island. Was it on the run for a horrific crime it
had committed? Was this its last stand? No, it had three other friends though and
they drove around in a black and red van and if you needed their help,
you know, they’d save sparrows and s***. Who would Mr T be? What sort of bird? Well, they wouldn’t fly would they? So it’d
be like an ostrich or a penguin or something. That was good. I like that. Gary, unbelievably, you have a point. No way, no. F*** off. How? Because the Stephens Island wren is flightless
and I’m giving you a point for that! Has it learned not to fly since being
on Stephens Island, it being an island, or did it get there on a raft? I like the idea of learning not to fly. “Oh, s***, I’ve flown again! I wish I could
forget this bollocks!” Well, maybe it didn’t like it! Maybe it didn’t
like heights. Yes, that’s not forgetting is it? That’s proactively… Is there a difference though? Between actively
forgetting and unlearning? “Welcome to epistemology today…” “Today, bird dat don’t fly.
He forget or did he learn it?” It’s also known as Lyall’s wren. Why would
its last refuge be Stephens Island? Is it… extinct? Spot on. Okay. Was it delicious? Damn it! That much faster. Yes, but not that… I mean this is a wren… Yes, but no. It was, apparently, delicious. There have only ever been five species of
flightless songbirds found. What’s happened to them? They’ve all been eaten. For the Stephens Island wren in particular
by what? Was it eaten by pests that were introduced
by humans? Yes, absolutely right. Any particular pests? Rats. AUDIENCE MEMBER: Bill Oddie! “Bring me another plate of wrens!
Conserve them that I may consume them…” Because that’s what Bill Oddie sounds like
behind the scenes… We’re in trouble when the audience
have better gags than we have. As Bill Oddie sits in the ruined wasteland
of the island seeing the last little wren entering his lips, he goes, “I really should have saved these.” Yes! “You didn’t see nothin’!” Not rats. Cats! Yes, cats is technically correct. Could we
be a bit more specific? Panthers?… Will, I’ve just got this thing of being in
like a hotel room, in a lonely kind of guest house and suddenly
from inside the cupboard, hearing you saying that. And it would be the most terrifying thing
I could imagine. “Panthers?” A single cat from one ship’s crew. Absolutely right. A lighthouse keeper’s cat
named Tibbles. Yes, allegedly, a lighthouse keeper’s cat
named Tibbles and for a while that was the accepted wisdom,
what is more likely? More than one cat…! “Panthers?” Chris is closest, Chris gets a point, yes. Yes, a large number of feral cats had come
to overrun the island. How many living wrens were actually spotted,
ever? None. They’re not spotted at all, they’ve got sort of
vertical striations or stripes. Go on, just hit me. It’s not that, it’s you’re kind of right. Yes! Olive brown plumage with edges of brown. So I’ll actually give you the stripes there. How often were they seen by humans? Seconds after the entered the cat’s mouth,
probably, or when the cat brought… Yes, there was loads left in a pile on the
door mat. The cat’s saying, “I’m friends with you”,
by leaving dead bodies outside. And when I do it, it’s wrong. Never. They were so small, they were essentially
invisible. I mean, I like it, but… What you’ve got there, mate, are bees. Bees, birds, and the next part of the talk
is where it gets distressing. Only twice. The lighthouse keeper called it
almost nocturnal, ‘Running around the rocks like a mouse.’ Yeah, well, you would if you were being chased
by a frigging cat! Yes, that was the problem. Then the cats ate the lighthouse keepers, then the cats took over the lighthouse and
turned off the light, many ships were wrecked. And eaten! Those crews, also, were devoured. I mean you’ve got a good ghost story there. It’s complete bollocks, but you’ve got a great
ghost story there. It was once widespread throughout the area. What area is Stephens Island in? Where are
we going to…? The sea! I mean, technically, I’ma give you a point
for that. Which part of the world…? This is 1870s… New England. No. Nova Scotia? I mean, you… Can you make anything not sound kinky? You’ve said, “New.” You’ve said, “Nova.”
New is correct. Zealand. Yes, there we go, have a point. Prehistorically, it was all through New Zealand, then the land was settled.
Its bones can be found where? Cat poo. Yes, that’s true, half of that’s right… I love the way you lead me on like a primary
school teacher with the thick student, “You’re right. Are there any other answers
in the class?” Deposits left by laughing owls. Wonderful! Was that an impression or a reaction? It’s the thought of this darkly humoured owl
in a tree, watching all these wrens getting eaten and
going, “Ha-ha, losers!” What happened to the laughing owl? Did they get eaten next? Yes, they did. Not laughing now, are we? I was actually going to move on to other extinct
birds of New Zealand. Well, there’s the Moa, there’s that really fecking big eagle that’s
the biggest one that ever lived, starts with a H. Augh, can’t remember. “New Zealand fecking big eagle”. Big feck-off… come on, come on. Haast’s eagle. Yes! The wonders of technology. That’s a terrifying thought that technology
might be optimised to how I think. The rest of you are screwed. Talking about introducing pests. Hello. There have been many, many attempts to deal
with pests, particularly Australia and New Zealand. They’re not pests, they’re legitimate countries. We had words about this before. Yes, what can you tell me about
the rabbit-proof fence? It wasn’t rabbit-proof! Because they went under it. Yes. It turns out that building a fence was
not a great way to stop rabbits. Did they get in… in the hats of magicians? Tries to pull out flags of all nations.
Just loads of rabbits tied together. With the flags of all nations to be fair. It’s actually the rabbits of all nations. Heavily tattooed. Yes. What can you tell me about
the Cobra Effect? And the phrasing here is, ‘It illustrates the causes of incorrect stimulation
in the economy.’ Eh, kids? Is it to do with sales of Viagra? They introduce cobras,
but they’re all dead-straight now. Flinging them like javelins. Come on! How you do it is your own business. Where might this have been? India? Yes, despite the phrasing,
you are absolutely right. This was British Colonial India and they were
concerned about venomous snakes, cobras. What did they try to do to solve
the snake problem? Did they bribe them? Yes, set up an elaborate passport service that meant they couldn’t move
from place to place. You know, that thing where, “Oh, he’s got it.
He’s got it. He’s got it. No.” To be fair, “he’s got it” was “did they”. And then “he’s not” was… bribe?! Did they bribe the snake charmers? People to catch them. And then they wouldn’t get rid of them all, because if they got rid of them all, they
wouldn’t have an income so they bred snakes to make sure
they still had a… Amazing! I know that because that was a common thing,
16th-17th century. You have accounts of what they do in parishes and they have similar problems with beavers. You would bring the tails to show that you
caught the pests that you had. You also had beadles
that would get rid of dogs, things like that out of churches. But there were rumours that they would be,
potentially, breeding animals to make sure that they were still getting
paid for this little bit of income. So it was a similar thing. Yes. They offered a bounty for every
dead cobra, which worked. Then people started breeding cobras, so they
scrapped the bounty programme. What happened? Lots of snakes. I mean, yes, everyone released the cobras, because they were now worthless, so they just… Yes. When they did it, did they use the… Actually, this needs your voice to say this
doesn’t it? Yes, “Release the cobras,” surely? “Release the cobras.” That is good. Good lord, I’m involuntarily
picking my feet up off the floor here. “Panthers?” No, that’s clearly a Disney panther though, that is going to be smoking a pipe and asking
insightful questions, a panther introduced in that tone. I can never go to the cinema…! That’s different reasons though, to do with
chucking the cobras. I’m just going to go, “Panthers?” So to drag this back, to drag this back, a long, long way to the Stephens Island wren. Oh, Jesus, yes. Oh, Christ. There were some fights over the specimens,
because… Between the cats, obviously,
‘cos they were hungry. The thing is you’re actually right, because almost all the specimens now extant
were brought in by cats. Oh, as presents? As presents for the lighthouse keeper,
you’re absolutely right. Although, they’re not presents.
They’re sort of a mark of pity. Yes, it’s that kind of,
“Look, that’s how you do it”, isn’t it? It’s the kind of thing they’re showing you. It’s like when they s*** on the floor, it’s
to show they’re angry. It’s true. That’s what happened when you came
to my house. What? You s*** on the floor
because you were angry he was there…? “Out, Scott!” Do you remember?
He once stayed over at my house. I did. God, that was before
your stag-do wasn’t it? Yeah. You stayed over at my house and I just
heard this immortal phrase, “Gary? The cat’s s*** on the floor.” I have no memory of this at all. That happened. It’s the only time she’s ever
done it with another person in the house. Normally, we get it after a weekend away or
something, a day or so later she’ll just go and lay one
on the floor to say, “Damn it, you’ve been away and this is how
angry I am, “I’m going to let you see this.” So for some reason,
she took with umbrage with you to that degree that she did a massive dump
in protest. And when I do it, it’s wrong. On the other hand, I know exactly how my resignation
from the show is going to go, should it ever happen. So, yes, what happened to most of the specimens?
Where did they end up? Museums! Yes, absolutely right. What happened to most
of the cats? Mew-seums. Shot, sadly. But there was a… Oh, I like this one when it ends on dead cats.
It’s always good fun isn’t it? And that’s the end of the show! It’s not ending on that.
There was a recommendation sent out. What should lighthouse keepers not do? Have cats to shoot in the first place! Yes. It was recommend that
they not introduce pests. So the last question, who was Lyall? Who were they named after?
Lyall’s wren, Traversia lyalli? Was he the lighthouse keeper? Yes, he was! Hooray! So at the end of the show, congratulations,
Chris, you win this one. You win a stuffed toy inspired by the villain
from ‘Nightmare on Elm Street’. It’s a Teddy Krueger. With that, we say thank you to Chris Joel, to Gary Brannan, to Will Seaward. I’ve been Tom Scott
and we’ll see you next time. Can I really go this time? Yes!


  • Reply Tom Scott June 8, 2017 at 10:09 am

    If you're able to vote in Britain today, and you haven't yet: go do it before watching this! Otherwise, please enjoy 15 minutes of nobody reminding you to vote.

  • Reply Deadite September 24, 2017 at 6:56 pm

    That window is an Optical illusion. Specifically, the Grey Dot Grid Illusion.

  • Reply ValorousFogey October 2, 2017 at 10:13 am

    12:16 I just noticed, that window behind them has the weird optical illusion where you see dark dots at the crossing points.

  • Reply dieHalogenlampe October 6, 2017 at 1:10 am


  • Reply Caedo October 8, 2017 at 9:53 am

    "Chucking the cobra"

  • Reply Luke Diggle October 23, 2017 at 12:50 am

    If you search for traversia lyalli this is the only video that pops up.

  • Reply Naomi PR October 23, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    "… Panthers?" 🐆

  • Reply Dang Dude Dan October 23, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    Will looks like young Santa Clause.

  • Reply Pongsathon Boonrod October 25, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    That "Panthers" can be a good distractionator for the next Battle of the Beer.

  • Reply Millseh October 26, 2017 at 4:30 am

    I forgot how good this episode is 😂

  • Reply maishi October 27, 2017 at 12:12 am

    Is Will Seaward related to Brian Blessed?

  • Reply Gabbi Rodriguez November 2, 2017 at 8:00 am

    That Australia/New Zealand bit made me howl

  • Reply Aalbert Torsius November 7, 2017 at 7:38 am

    Drat! I was expecting a Freddy Bear.

  • Reply Seth Rotherforth November 7, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Ok, now. Tom, Matt, Chris, Gary and will. Too much?

  • Reply InuKun2008 November 8, 2017 at 6:13 am

    A special thank you Tom as I did a presentation in Biology about the Stephens Island Wren in Biology last week and how it had evolved (with emphasis on how it was perfectly fine with its traits until cats showed up on the island) and got 99/100 for it (The one point off is because I had to pause to take a sip of water which the professor was against). Also, I've emailed you the link to the video of Route 3 in Virginia with its accidental tribute to Beethoven's 9th (Although due to complaints by drivers who apparently didn't want to hear it, VDOT have now repaved it as of Monday (Nov. 6th) to get rid of the groves from the last paving job).

  • Reply InuKun2008 November 8, 2017 at 6:19 am

    Although to be fair to Chris, it was rendered extinct on the two main islands of New Zealand by the Polynesian Rat when the Maori arrived in New Zealand.

  • Reply mistaecco November 10, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    Was Gary yelling "Get out of my office" the thing that made you laugh for a full minute in the youtube editing room, Tom?

  • Reply Naomi PR November 23, 2017 at 4:56 pm

    release… the cobras 🐍🐍🐍🐍

  • Reply E. Mark Anderson November 23, 2017 at 10:43 pm

    What was that joke from the audience? I couldn't make it out.

  • Reply Nelson Pena November 26, 2017 at 11:27 pm

    You're welcome.

  • Reply Ascdren November 27, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    gotta love going back to old Citation needed episodes containing discount brian Blessed

  • Reply Vic Horsham November 30, 2017 at 12:35 pm

    I never knew Brian Blessed had an Even Hairier Son

  • Reply Burning Wang December 4, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    That guys a bit eccentric. My nan would call him a character

  • Reply ligoner412 December 13, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    delicious to cats

  • Reply Null December 19, 2017 at 3:10 am

    I would like to point out that Will Seaward is in fact the ghost of Christmas Present from the Muppets Christmas Carol.

  • Reply IllidanS4 December 20, 2017 at 10:38 pm

    Was that an impression or a reaction?

  • Reply Mikhail Nemykin December 23, 2017 at 4:09 am

    Why did I think that when they said "epistemology today" they said "a pissed emology today". I know that "emology" is not a word. Not a native English speaker.

  • Reply D E A D M E E M December 23, 2017 at 5:22 am

    Will Seaward ain't foolin' me. I know a wizard when I see one.

  • Reply orrin ellis December 24, 2017 at 1:51 pm

    well now i have a plot for a call of cthulhu scenario cats of Stephens Island

  • Reply Erik Hoffman December 26, 2017 at 7:52 am


  • Reply Kobi Tzarfati December 29, 2017 at 10:47 am


  • Reply Trey Faucheux December 29, 2017 at 3:45 pm

    "When I ate Matt I stole his powers." Will Seaward is Kirby.

  • Reply Almujtaba O. December 31, 2017 at 3:07 pm

    The window behind Tom has that dots illusion

  • Reply popartlover101 January 3, 2018 at 8:01 pm

    I love Chris 😂😂

  • Reply Sharon Bhosle January 13, 2018 at 9:44 am

    Will is awesome. Most British guy ever.🇬🇧

  • Reply J. P. February 8, 2018 at 3:59 am

    What a bunch of quality guys

  • Reply Miss Sarah Ashplant February 25, 2018 at 10:31 pm

    Troglodytes summitelsius. You guys crack me up.

  • Reply Kyle Mutch March 9, 2018 at 10:53 am


  • Reply Jade Reynolds March 11, 2018 at 7:58 pm

    P a n t h e r s ? ?

  • Reply Knighthawk Prime March 23, 2018 at 2:17 pm

    Will's voice is basically Thor.

  • Reply Logan Brown April 28, 2018 at 12:01 pm

    The Stephens Island Wren: Troglodytes summatelsius

  • Reply TOAD May 16, 2018 at 9:16 pm

    Troglodytes something-elsesius

  • Reply Arty Ivanenko May 19, 2018 at 10:36 pm


  • Reply Dan Lyle May 30, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    They're not pests, they're legitimate countries

  • Reply Isaiah James June 11, 2018 at 1:28 am


  • Reply Eurydamas July 1, 2018 at 1:10 am

    "Then the cats ate the lighthouse keepers. Then the cats took over the lighthouse and turned off the light. Many ships were wrecked. Those crews also were devoured."

    The Meowst Dangerous Game

  • Reply kindle July 5, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    After seeing Will Seaward, I understand why famous English kings were compared to lions

  • Reply Monkeyofdoom44 July 8, 2018 at 9:23 am

    I haven't finished the video but I want to make a guess at the cobra effect. If I'm wrong I'll leave the comment, If I'm right I'll leave the comment. The cobra effect is describing how when the indian government put out a bounty for cobras, it increased the number of cobras because rather than catch cobras in the wild they started farming them.

  • Reply Mojos Bigstick July 11, 2018 at 5:46 pm

    Two WRNS went swimming in the Channel. Came out as four Blue Tits.

  • Reply Accessfm August 21, 2018 at 1:43 pm

    What am I watching? 🤔

  • Reply Terroto Rotbart August 25, 2018 at 6:01 pm

    5:04 Panthers…?

  • Reply Daniel K August 29, 2018 at 11:17 pm

    I need a t-shirt of Will's face at 5:04 with the word "Panthers?" on it!

  • Reply Huj September 1, 2018 at 5:20 pm


  • Reply Ben Toth September 1, 2018 at 10:49 pm

    If Will doesn't do voiceover work, he should. He absolutely should.

  • Reply Jason Îdo Feldman September 15, 2018 at 5:44 pm


  • Reply [redacted] watkins September 30, 2018 at 3:36 pm

    h-how tall is will compared to matt

  • Reply trebacca9 October 6, 2018 at 3:46 pm

    Is it just me, or does will look a bit like a cartoon lion? Like, the kind that would be walking around in a vest, with a pocket watch and an ascot.

  • Reply Fey October 15, 2018 at 10:31 am

    Panthers? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • Reply Jonny Hicks October 25, 2018 at 9:14 pm

    can I have a “Panthers? “ T-shirt?

  • Reply On [Topic] October 27, 2018 at 2:15 am

    "New Zealand fecking big eagle" is now present verbatim in the Wikipedia page for the Haast's Eagle. Well done, lads.

  • Reply Caleb Berney October 28, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    – a snake on Viagra

  • Reply pedroxboy November 1, 2018 at 2:49 am

    Is it just me or does the guy from the audience that said: Bill Oddie" sounds like Matt Parker?

  • Reply Taran858 November 6, 2018 at 12:59 pm

    What a cat-astrophy.

  • Reply Daniel Chong November 10, 2018 at 3:32 pm


  • Reply Rachel Lee November 13, 2018 at 7:47 am

    Will has a wonderful laugh.

  • Reply the bronylike superchannel November 24, 2018 at 3:28 pm


  • Reply alto December 9, 2018 at 1:09 am

    Will is actually a laughing giant from Lord of the Rings

  • Reply panda4247 December 9, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    well the cobra effect now…
    Antivirus companies (bot medical and IT).
    conspiracy theorists emerge

  • Reply There I Go December 21, 2018 at 2:14 am

    I love this show

  • Reply CheshireTomcat68 January 4, 2019 at 10:59 pm

    Now available as a Scishow episode too!

  • Reply Maestro Theoretically January 6, 2019 at 9:49 pm


  • Reply Josh Keating January 14, 2019 at 8:16 am

    I kept thinking of the word sometingelious (I think that is about how Chris said it) had to come back to this video.

  • Reply Josh Keating January 14, 2019 at 8:20 am

    They did this same topic on Scishow about a week ago.

  • Reply Ibakon Ferba January 14, 2019 at 10:50 pm

    A Lighthouse keepers cat named Tibbles would be an amazing name for a book 😀

  • Reply Seamus Cavanaugh January 23, 2019 at 12:45 am

    Will is definitely the ghost of christmas present

  • Reply cactusboy33 January 26, 2019 at 10:46 pm

    How did these guys manage to get through this with the ghost of Christmas present right there?

  • Reply PerryDaPlatapus February 11, 2019 at 10:26 pm

    That bill oddie part still gets me every time, some quick wit right there

  • Reply N Jones February 12, 2019 at 6:04 pm

    i came home from holiday to find a nice big cat-turd, right in the middle of the duvet…i can take a hint.

  • Reply Oliver Gs February 27, 2019 at 9:32 am

    I love Chris' sudden and violent spit take as soon as Tom says ''Tibbles''

  • Reply Michael Sherrill March 2, 2019 at 3:06 pm

    Welcome to the episode where jokes are facts

  • Reply Slippulter March 3, 2019 at 1:44 pm

    9:04 – The best moment of the episode.

  • Reply Tonatsi March 23, 2019 at 1:29 pm

    I love Chris Joel's reaction when tibbles is mentioned.

  • Reply xenten 9 April 3, 2019 at 3:39 am

    @12:00 the closed caption in wrong. it should say "the zoo", not "the cinema".

  • Reply Michael Berthelsen April 6, 2019 at 12:15 pm

    Did Brian Blessed find the fountain of youth again…?!😮😂

  • Reply Micha Grill April 15, 2019 at 3:50 pm

    4:30 what did the guy in the audience say?

  • Reply MrTrilbe April 16, 2019 at 4:35 pm

    Odd story but my great uncle was a WREN, they misspelled his name as Edwina instead of Edwin

  • Reply mads christensen May 7, 2019 at 7:59 pm

    Of all episodes of citation needed this is by far the best one. This one is pure comedy gold

  • Reply Alex Martin May 9, 2019 at 2:34 am

    Actually, the idea of getting rid of New Zealand and Australia as pests is alarming, because nuclear weapons exist.

  • Reply max-lol May 13, 2019 at 2:39 am

    Before eating Matt, Will was Jason Momoa

  • Reply DYZ.G Comment May 21, 2019 at 6:30 am

    5:05 Paaaaanthers?

  • Reply Branko Kocic May 23, 2019 at 3:44 pm

    This is my favourite episode, love it!

  • Reply StringyCola May 23, 2019 at 7:58 pm

    This mans voice is actually amazing!

  • Reply RegiRuler May 31, 2019 at 6:37 pm

    5:27 photos taken 1 second before disaster

    If you ever do a 9th series Will and Math Matt must be in a show together.

  • Reply Kachompsky June 3, 2019 at 11:18 pm

    B R I N G M E A N O T H E R P L A T E O F W R E N S

  • Reply Skrollz June 28, 2019 at 10:15 pm

    It should have been "Freddy Kruegers, teddy pooh bear"

  • Reply Antti Björklund June 30, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    "Can you make anything not sound kinky?"

  • Reply Jack Morris July 5, 2019 at 12:19 pm

    Garry : goes off on a tangent
    Tom: ding
    Gary: "I'm getting a point for that?"
    Tom: "Yes, but actually no"

  • Reply The Movie Dealers July 6, 2019 at 4:44 am

    * * P A N T H E R R R R R R S ? ? ? ? ? * *

  • Reply Joel Writer July 23, 2019 at 5:26 pm

    To actively forget you have to put yourself in situations in which you don't think about it, while unlearning is avoiding actions with something supplementary with you don't forget but reverse practice. So to for get you have to not think of it, to unlearn to you have to remember not to.

  • Reply Joel Writer July 23, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    That window in the back is doing that "black dots in a grid" optical illusion for me.

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